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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 4, 2018 at 7:57 p.m.
Thread: Stone Cold Sharks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slepler</b></div><div>I think Nash's trade at the deadline last year was a vast overpay. Obviously, that turned out true. I think Nash has a huge brand that made him overvalued. I think it's a little like tavares vs. panarin. Tavares has a huge brand from being a #1 overall pick, etc, but panarin has better overall numbers, and played on an even much weaker offensive team. The Nash situation was a huge payment for 5 year previous brand name performance. It was foolish.

It's not clear what other GM's will pay at the deadline. Its a function of alot of things:

1. How many other high end players are available? Panarin? seguin? along with stone? Duchene? Patches? Skinner again? Simmonds? Eberle? Lee? Hayes? Nyqist? Etc. There are maybe twenty or so 20+goal scorer relatively high end quality UFA-To-Be players at reasonable ages, so if many are available, then the sellers will have a hard time getting top dollar. In that case, the market will be ripe for snatching a top end guy. Its hard to predict, but looking at the deadline deals last year:

-Kane = 1st, 4th, and lower/mid prospect
- hartman was roughly a 1st (but he was just 23)
-Tatar = 1st, 2nd, 3rd
-Maroon = 3rd
- Stastny = 1st, 4th, light prospect
- Nash= 1st, 7th, Spooner+Belesky

The market was pretty weak and lacked higher end to-be-ufas. Given that, it was a seller's market and the prices still never exceeded a 1st rounder +a few late picks/prospects. Only Nash's Deal included a real roster player.

For that reason, if the market this year is saturated, the prices could be very low, and very affordable for much higher quality talent.</div></div>

Did you list them in order of their trade date? If so, I can see how that would affect Nash’s value. Still, I can’t believe Boston gave up that much. Even with his past success, it would’ve been hard to ignore how bad he was playing that year. It’ll be interesting to see their approach at this year’s deadline.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2, 2018 at 11:16 a.m.
Thread: W. Simmonds to SanJose. Sharks are going for it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slepler</b></div><div>I like the idea of Simmons as a shark for sure. He plays the game the right way and is exactly the kind of vet Doug Wilson loves! And if he plays with anyone but pavelski, the sharks will have the best and second best net front tip-goal scorers in the league. That would instantly make all point shots extraordinarily dangerous.

The only issue is the price and the age. Simmonds is 30. That means any extension would start at age 31. No doubt he'll want good $$ and term, so any extension of 4+ years will carry significant risk, not to mention likely upwards of 6M+ (he's been consistently roughly 25-30 goals, 50-60 pts not to mention the intangibles).

Meier is not on the table unless it's a superstar coming back: that would be someone like Seguin, Panarin, or Karlsson. The second half for Meier last year showed that he could be a 30 goal scorer easily next year. He had 21, but 19 of those came from dec 4 onward. that's 19 goals in 57 games (27 goals per 82 games.) And that was with minimal PP time as 18 of his 21 were EV. No reason to think he can't go up from there with a regular PP shift, so you dont deal 22 year-old, likely 30 goal scorers for 31 year old players with the same production that will surely decline.

If any top 9 forward will move in a deal for someone not named seguin, panarin, or Karlsson, that person will almost surely be Kevin Labanc. Banker has good speed, quickness, and vision, and significant trade value, but a seemingly lower ceiling than a guy like Meier, Hertl or the like. He is not strong on the puck and does not play the cycle-possession style that hertl, kane, meier, couture and company do. I still really like him and would prefer he stay, but he is the only top 9 piece that I could see dougie dangle.

If the flyers tank (not too likely, but who knows), then maybe a package of picks and prospects could get him: 2020 1st+Norris+Roy? (basically 2 1sts and a 2nd rounder). He'd definitely fit the sharks identity.</div></div>

I think you offer Simmons something like 6 mill over 2 years. You have Jumbo Joe coming off the books next year, so you know you can afford it. With San Jose being a smaller market and a Cali team, I really don't see much of the team. I actually didn't know anything about Meier! Sounds like moving him is a no no. But I am sure you could put a package together. If the Sharks weren't notorious for their size before, adding Wayne would make them one of the most visibly formidable groups out there.