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My Final Word on a Marner Contract

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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 16, 2019
Published: Aug. 17, 2019
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For those of you who do not want to read this lengthy post, the tl;dr version is I will live with a 7@10.5aav deal (all in SB's and with a 20+ team NTC/NMC). It is an overpayment by ~1-1.5 million, but considering all young stars are underpaid relative to their production (even McDavid, Matthews, and insert young star here) I will live with it.
Below is a projected Leafs roster with the 'fair' Marner contract.

For those of you who want to see contract comparables and a deeper breakdown; grab the popcorn.

Going based on news (Matthews) and my opinions/100% factual statements (not Matthews) here are a list of contract comparables for Marner (in no particular order). There are other comparable players but I will only be profiling some of the more prominent ones who currently have a contract.
Before you start, remember that the Matthews deal was signed in a new era of contracts for star centres so his % is by far the highest (that and the fact that he isn't a comparable for any of these players except for Kane).

Name - Contract - Starting Year - Cap% of starting year

Matthews- 5@11.634 - 2019-20 - 14.27%
Kane-------- 5@6.300 - 2010-11 - 10.61%
Tarasenko- 8@7.500 - 2015-16 - 10.50%
Aho---------- 5@8.454 - 2019-20 - 10.37%
Nylander-- 6@6.962 - 2018-19 - 8.76%
Pastrnak-- 6@6.666 - 2017-18 - 8.89%
Gaudreau- 6@6.750 - 2016-17 - 9.25%
Meier------- 4@6.000 - 2019-20 - 7.36%

A basic average on the term and the % gives you a contract of 5.625 years at a 10% hit. That gives you roughly a 5@8 - 6@8.5 which is right around the Aho contract and intrinsically is fairly close in terms of Marner's actual value on that term. At this point however, I do not think he will get his intrinsic worth and will be badly overpaid.

Basic counting stats (in per game for context):
Name - Year 1 GPG/PPG - Year 2 GPG/PPG - Year 3 GPG/PPG - etc, until 2nd contract starts

Matthews-- 0.49/0.84 - 0.55/1.02 - 0.54/1.07
Kane--------- 0.26/0.88 - 0.31/0.88 - 0.37/1.07
Tarasenko- 0.21/0.29 - 0.33/0.67 - 0.48/0.95
Aho---------- 0.29/0.60 - 0.37/0.83 - 0.37/1.01
Marner----- 0.25/0.79 - 0.27/0.84 - 0.32/1.15
Nylander--- 0.27/.059 - 0.27-0.75 - 0.24-0.74
Pastrnak--- 0.22/0.59 - 0.29/0.51 - 0.45/0.93
Gaudreau- 1.00/1.00 - 0.30/0.80 - 0.38/0.99
Meier------- 0.09/0.18 - 0.26/0.44

Basic counting stats (in /pg context) essentially show that (Auston Matthews is a ****ing beast) Marner is extremely comparable with players like Aho and Gaudreau, and is a step above Nylander while being multiple steps below Matthews.

Going off of this we can guess at a 'fair' contract as being the average of Gaudreau and Aho's deals. That comes to 5.5@9.81% or 5.5@8. Gaudreau was signed in a past RFA contract scenario, so I think it would be fair to add up to 1 million to this aav in order to account for this (surpassing the Aho deal in he skew). Strictly value wise this is what he is worth and my highest 'fair' valuation on him of 6@9.000 seems mostly in line with this projection. I will be basing any contract signed off of this number, and will be shocked if he comes in anywhere near it from the news I have been hearing.

As CF doesn't have the ability to put images in these descriptions, I will be adding the advanced metrics down below to show how Meier is better than his counting stats show and how Mitch and Aho are very close.

As a conclusion to this; I will say that I will be able to live with a deal that surpasses his intrinsic value as long as it comes with term. I would be okay with up to 7@10.5aav based on his age and the fact that he should continue to get better. I am still irked that JT took a large discount to come here just for Mitch to put the teams financial future in jeopardy by demanding a massive overpayment and am annoyed at Shanahan and Dubas for (reportedly) giving it to him.
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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RD
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.
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Here are the advanced numbers
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.
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I do think Marner’s value is at around 9 million dollars on a 5-6 year deal however I disagree with your take. Marner is closer to Matthews and Tavares’ level than he is to Nylander. When you look at too many advanced metrics, you get brainwashed into believing that Nylander is better than Marner, and now you even believe that Meier is better than Marner. In hockey nothing beats the eye test, especially if you’ve been playing competitively for many years like myself. But hey, keep on reading advanced metrics because they’ll tell you that Toews is better than Crosby.
Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
Here are the advanced numbers
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You’re the same person that told me Malkin isn’t a top 3 center of his generation. Malkin after his first 3 seasons was better than Matthews is now, sorry that facts don’t care for your feelings.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
I think Marner’s value is at around 9 million dollars on a 5-6 year deal however I disagree with your take. Marner is closer to Matthews and Tavares’ level than he is to Nylander. When you look at too many advanced metrics, you get brainwashed into believing that Nylander is better than Marner, and now you even believe that Meier is better than Marner. In hockey nothing beats the eye test, especially if you’ve been playing competitively for many years like myself. But hey, keep on reading advanced metrics because they’ll tell you that Toews is better than Crosby.


Im not sure anyone seriously thinks Nylander is better than Marner. He is better at some aspects (Possession namely), but Marner is a step ahead. The important part to realise is that he is a STEP ahead, not 50.
I have also played competitive hockey for years. One of my former coaches is currently the AGM of an NHL team.
I never said Meier was better than Marner. This is entirely projection.
Again with the Towes is better than Crosby, I never said that lol. I even have Crosby as the 2nd best C in the world lol (Crosby is also a stats Darling).
Advanced Metrics are a tool to help judge players and should always be used IN CONJUNCTION with things like the eye test.
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Aug. 17, 2019 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: BrandonDubinskyGOAT
You’re the same person that told me Malkin isn’t a top 3 center of his generation. Malkin after his first 3 seasons was better than Matthews is now, sorry that facts don’t care for your feelings.


Malkin is not the 3rd best centre in the league right now lol. If you want to consider his career, I will put him top 5 for sure, but as it stands right now, he is not #3 lol. You're ****ing delusional.
sorry that facts don’t care for your feelings.
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