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Forum: Armchair-GMDec 17, 2019 at 11:48
Thread: Jack Eichel vs Nathan MacKinnon
Does it really matter? I doubt Joe would trade Nate for Jack nor would Jason trade Jack for Nate. I will say that I only got to watch Nate in the playoffs last year and he was quite impressive. Let me close by adding, only last year did Jack start to play a 200 foot game. I do not know what was holding him back, maybe his captain who lost his love of the game was showing Jack how collect a paycheck without working?
<a href="/users/MikeyThePensFan" target="_blank">@MikeyThePensFan</a> Great post, one of the best conversation starters I have seen.
<a href="/users/CD282" target="_blank">@CD282</a> How dare you use statistics to make your point! That is out of line in a discussion based on opinions. TBH, I did not expect that to be the case either, thanks for sharing.
<a href="/users/Leafboy101" target="_blank">@Leafboy101</a> Actually rated just about correct in previous years, never considered one of the elite NHL forwards.
<a href="/users/CapFriendlysFinest" target="_blank">@CapFriendlysFinest</a> Jack has played on even worse teams than Nate, and the AVS have gone to the playoffs three time in Colorado, so obviously there were good players around him at that time.
<a href="/users/Ledge_And_Dairy" target="_blank">@Ledge_And_Dairy</a> Yes, similar but Nate has had the better supporting cast his entire career, as the Avs made the playoffs 3 times in his career while the Sabres never did. If you want to look at a bad roster, check out Buffalo’s defense in 2016-‘17 Kulikov, Gorges, Fedun, Falk, and Franson all played more the 27 games..
<a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a> Let’s not get an inferiority complex here. He has certainly played as a team leader this year. It is not only a Buffalo thing but any good player on a bad team usually gets ignored.
<a href="/users/bigZ98" target="_blank">@bigZ98</a> I agree, but Jack is also very good at making his wingers look good. Skinner gets his 40, Reinhart gets his 25, Pominville scored only 2 goals last year when he was not with Jack and does anyone not think that the quick passes Jack was making to Olofsson on the PP helped Viktor to be Rookie of the Month in October.
<a href="/users/Jambo" target="_blank">@Jambo</a> Yes, a good chance for an MVP is the Sabres can make the playoffs.
@ Eklund I agree, Nate has had a better supporting cast than Jack his entire career. As I said several times earlier, the Avs made the playoffs 3 times and the Sebres 0 times during their respective careers.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 14, 2019 at 11:03
Thread: Discussion What is Galchenyuks true value
<a href="/users/RoyalBlueSabres" target="_blank">@RoyalBlueSabres</a>
<a href="/users/Pharrow" target="_blank">@Pharrow</a>
<a href="/users/Skyraider112" target="_blank">@Skyraider112</a>
<a href="/users/Eli" target="_blank">@Eli</a>
I know Galchenyuk has been traded twice now, once for Domi and once for Kessel. That sounds like he has a lot of value to me or at least in Chayka and Rutherford opinions. But his value seems to have been tarnished in Pittsburgh.
So is he only worth a pocket of lint? Or can he be reclaimed? The answer lies in the middle IMO.
Over the last 5 years he and Reinhart have similar starts. Over that time Reinhart has 12 more goals, and about 20 more pts, about the difference this year alone.
As a Sabre’s fan I would want to give up as little as possible and trade shall we say extra players. Buffalo has 5 second pairing RHD, so I would want to send one of them. Buffalo also has at least 4 good possession bottom 6 forwards (Asplund, Girgensons, Larsson, and Okposo). Okposo is out because his salary is too high and he is too injury prone. Asplund is out because he cheap and IMO Betterall would not want to trade him. That leaves Girgensons and Larsson, either of them have more goals than Chucky.
So I am offering Bogosian and Larsson for Galchenyuk. I patiently await your ever constructive criticism.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 13, 2019 at 5:36
Thread: A player I havent seen the sabres trade for yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Connolly has well, would have been a hige improvement over Vesey. I wish he would stop taking flyers on guys that are cheap, like the current Galchenyuk rumors. Not that i dont want him, its just low risk for a guy whos struggled now on 3 franchises, cant say hes a lock for a top 6 wonger. Him and Mitts would make for the most disappointing 3rd line in the league though, so maybe that lights a fire</div></div>

TBH, I never thought Connolly would sign here, but you are correct he would have been a good signing. Considering how the Sabres finished last year, I sort of think there were not too many decent free agents who entertained offers from Buffalo.
I presume you are talking about Johansson, Vesey and Sheary as cheap.
I was really happy that the Sabres signed Johansson, as I had him pegged as the team's #2 center as soon as I heard of the deal.
I thought Sheary played about as well as I had expected and who would have played wing if we did not have him last year. You are correct maybe he expected more out of Sheary, but I was not unhappy to give up a 4th when the team only had Reinhart, Okposo and Rodrigues as possible top 9 wingers (Skinner was added 2 months later).
Vesey was a good trade and he adds PK depth (unfortunately our PK really is bad this year). I expected more scoring but he may have found his groove now.
Finally, Galchenyuk has hardly struggled in his career. He has been remarkably consistent, especially if one removes his 30 goal season in '15-'16. If we did pick up Chucky, I would put him on the top line and move Reinhart to RW with Johansson and Skinner. Chucky is not Sampson but over the last 5 years (including this dismal year) he has only 12 fewer goals and 29 fewer points, and he has never played for a center as Jack.
Considering Betterall had so much junk to unload and so few assets to start (no extra picks and one of the worse prospects pools in the NHL), it is amazing that the team is in second place after finishing dead last just 18 months ago.
I know you do not appreciate Betterall as much as I do, but look at the Rochester roster for evidence of his capabilities. Eight of the top nine scorers are his additions, and they are in second place in the north division. Remember they missed the playoffs every year Murray was the GM and he blamed Regier for not drafting well.
When he took over the Sabres we had 2 reliable NHL defensemen, McCabe and Ristolainen (here the list who were on that team: Casey Nelson, Brady Austin, Brendan Guhle, Erik Burgdoerfer, Dmitri Kulikov, Josh Gorges, Taylor Fedun, Justin Falk, Zach Bogosian, Cody Franson, that is a sad assortment of defensemen). Now we even have 2 ex NHL defensemen in Rochester (Redmond and Gilmour) who are better than at least 8 from that collection.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 13, 2019 at 3:30
Thread: Notes and ideas
<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a>
<a href="/users/littlejerryseinfeld" target="_blank">@littlejerryseinfeld</a>
I really like moving Reinhart to the second line with Johansson.
I do not like trading away McCabe. He is one of the more physical players on a very soft team.
I think it is highly unlikely Scandella will be a Sabre after the TDL. If McCabe is traded the Sabres have only one NHL caliber LHD. Pilut is close but that will only leave Buffalo with 2 LHD.
IMO Bogosian will return much more than a fifth. I also think he will be traded as he has not preformed up to his salary.
I understand Betterall is looking at Galchenyuk, he is 2 years younger than Tyler and outside of this year his output is much more consistent. I do not know what would be a fair trade for Chucky since he was the prime asset in the Kessel trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 12, 2019 at 6:22
Thread: Trade for montour
<a href="/users/wojme" target="_blank">@wojme</a>
Would you trade Reinhart and a first for Reilly? I sort doubt you would, so why would the TML trade Nylander for Montour?
<a href="/users/MadLin27" target="_blank">@MadLin27</a>
That is exactly what I was thinking Kapanen instead of Johnson. Buffalo could use a RW more than another LW.
<a href="/users/Jamiepo" target="_blank">@Jamiepo</a>
I see you value Kapanen slightly less than Johnson.
Replace Johnson with Kapanen in your trade and IMO Betterall would take it. Buffalo could use a RW more than a LW.
@ MG1986 I think I have seen enough of Montour to know that Betterall fleeced Murray in that deal. I think Murray thought the pick would be closer to 20th overall and some how thought Guhle was an actual prospect (I think he must have been reading the Buffalo News praise Guhle for the past 3 years.)
@ Sign_em_up000000 You rhetorically asked what it would take to get Jokiharju, I will answer facetiously, it took a Nylander to get him, it will take a Nylander to take him away, LOL Seriously, I think Jokiharju has a huge upside. If he continues to develop (IMO he now often is the best defenseman on the ice) Nylander may well be the asking price in the future. But that is not the correct value now.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 11, 2019 at 11:36
Thread: 3 Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Scandella is having a good season, but Historically, Jugs has been better over the last few seasons</div></div>

I really like RHC, and Jugs may be the right one for the Sabre.
I may be a dreamer, but with the sort of season Scandella is having, Betterall will want more.
I was a bit more optimistic than the hockey prognosticators when they predicted an 80 pt season for the Sabres, but I did not think they would be in second place in mid December.
I think Betterall will want future assets returned for Scandella at the TDL, or he may not trade him all and keep him for a playoff run. At the moment Buffalo is far from being desperate for forwards scoring. They have more goals than EDM and only 3 less than PIT or TML. The team played well during their 1-7-2 stretch and had terrible "puck -luck", but they seem to have turned the corner now 5-2-3 with wins over the Leafs, Blues, Oilers, and Panthers (all potential playoff teams) counted among those 5 wins.
IMO the Sabres need a good starting GK with Ullmark as back up instead of more 40 pt forwards as Chucky. They 4-6 in the extra time games this year. If they could have picked up 2 more wins they would be in a solid 2nd place Atlantic standing. I think Betterall likes have 8 NHL quality defensemen on the roster.
But just to be clear, let me close, I think the talent exchange of Miller for Galchenyuk is very fair, but not what the Sabres need now.
Finally, considering Chucky was the major piece in the Kessel deal, I sort of think the PEN's will be hesitant to move him for Miller.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 11, 2019 at 11:02
Thread: 3 Trades
<a href="/users/BigDog91" target="_blank">@BigDog91</a>
Actually that Galchenyuk is a fair trade considering Betterall only had to give up a 2nd for Miller. IMO we will see some more scoring going forward, so getting Chucky may not be the best move. The Sabres have 18 goals in their last 3 home games and 12 in their last 3 road games, or 30 goals in the last 6 games. I like getting another center; I do not like the higher salary and the 2 less years on the contract. But maybe it would work out really well for the remaining of the year.
<a href="/users/mhockey91" target="_blank">@mhockey91</a>
I agree with you except, you need to watch more of Bogosian. He is a new player since returning from his surgery.
Considering Scandella has the best +/- among all of the Sabres (and second only to the PEN's Dumoulin), I do not thing Betterall will be trading him the one goal this year Bjugstad.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 11, 2019 at 10:25
Thread: Rebuild a good chunk of the blue line
<a href="/users/AFOX10900" target="_blank">@AFOX10900</a>
I cannot speak for the other trades but Betterall certainly fleeced Murray. IMO it would take more to get Montour. Has any one watched how well Bogosian is playing, I think he will be traded at the TDL for less than a first, but more than a 4th.
<a href="/users/Amplifys" target="_blank">@Amplifys</a>
I am including you because you made a comment to this post
<a href="/users/Leafboy101" target="_blank">@Leafboy101</a>
I agree that Buffalo needs secondary scoring but since the Leafs have only 3 more goals than Buffalo so far this year, I do not think this offer is sufficient and TML need secondary scoring as well. Read below.
<a href="/users/palhal" target="_blank">@palhal</a>
I agree, with your comment about Montour. He may be the Sabres best defenseman (yes including Dahlin, BTW the Sabres are 4-1-3 since Dahlin suffered a concussion). I have no idea how the Sabres were able to get him for only Guhle and a first. I guess Murray was reading the Buffalo News writers reports on Ghule.
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 3, 2019 at 5:44
Thread: Galchenyuk Ritchie
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Didnt know Richie was so hot, but Scandella is playing better than everyone thinks. And while yes i would agree its a no, its not a huge deal, its more like a Nah. This is why people stop listening to opinions that are always negative on certain teams</div></div>

This is one of your best posts of equal talent for equal talent.
I do not get to watch much of the Ducks but if Ritchie is coming into his own, that means Mittelstadt is the next Wayne Gretzky. Nick has one more point and one less goal than Casey, while getting more ice time. I think you have a fair trade there. Edit, I thought I was the only one who noticed Scandella playing very well. We may all be surprised at how much value he and Bogosian return if they are traded. I would not be surprised if they returned at least a second.
Miller for a second was a huge steal for the Sabres, IMO playing with PIT he would score as well as he did in Vegas. Alex on the other hand has not performed well. IMO it would be really hard to move Alex for Miller when Alex was the primary part of the Kessel trade. So while the trade IMO is certainly fair, probably would not go down.
The bottom line this is a good post.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 29, 2019 at 3:55
Thread: Ideal Trade Deadline without trading Risto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>I agree with making room for younger players,
But Bonino isn’t all that good (35pt player, meh)
And would conceivable take up Cozens spot at Center next year

But if we were trading for a guy like Ehlers, or even a Center of his quality, then I’d be all for it

It’s been 6 years since Bonino has scored 20goals
He’s not the 2C we are looking for

Johansson &gt; Bonino, Bujugstad, etc etc

If we are making a trade...
let’s get the best player possible regardless of forward position
Bc we are still building a team for the future, not this year

Example:
Skinner-Johansson-Ehlers, looks a lot better to me than...
Skinner-Bonino-Johansson

And then NEXT season...
Skinner-Cozens-Johansson
And then we slot Ehlers with Mittelstadt on line3

That’s how u build a championship contender imo</div></div>

I think I said we disagreed with Bonino, so you are correct. I guess adding an extra year of Bonino over Sheary makes that a bad deal.
BTW, I really like Sheary and only looking to add a center in place of him, but you are correct adding Bonino could easily stifle the growth of Cozens and Thompson.
Johansson is an incredibly smart hockey player, I was and even more now shocked that he signed only a 2 year contract with Buffalo. He is worth his entire salary and maybe a bit more.
BTW, what do you think the Sabres would need to offer to land Ehlers.
Lastly, I agree, a championship is built slowly not rushed trying to achieve a playoff team in one year.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 28, 2019 at 4:39
Thread: Ideal Trade Deadline without trading Risto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>The problem imo with a lot of the teams ppl put together on here is that they lose sight of the overall goal...

And that is to build a team that can be a legit Championship Contender for years

Sure, in one regard trading Sheary for Bonino may make sense for us now (and i stress “maybe” bc I’m not a big Bonino fan at all)... but EXACTLY HOW does that type of trade move us towards our REAL GOAL?

Ppl on here are just impatient, looking for a quick fix
But this team is still a work in progress

Acquiring players with term left on their deals doesn’t make room guys like Cozens, etc
And it takes up slots where we could bring in a potential difference maker with all the Cap Space we will have in the
off-season

And again...
idk how much adding guys that are “decent” really helps us anyways?

Making trades for the sake of trades isn’t moving us in the direction of a Championship contender

And that should be the goal

Don’t need to rush things...
“trust the process”


And to answer your question about what I’d do...
NOTHING right now
We are 8-2-1
If a trade presents itself where we can add a “Core Player” that can help now, AND GOING FORWARD...
that’s when you pull the trigger

For example:
Getting someone like Ehlers from the Jets

But not Bonino, etc etc
Those guys don’t move the needle
Let’s not pretend they’d be difference makers for us
And let’s not spend assets on “rentals” on guys like Toffoli either (who i also don’t think is very good anymore)</div></div>

Very complete answer.
I think we agree. I definitely did not like the Toffoli and I only liked the trades moving UFA's for picks but a center would be more valuable than a LW.
You and I disagree with Bonino, but we appear to agree with making room for young players. Or did I mis read your comment.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 25, 2019 at 12:13
Thread: Ideal Trade Deadline without trading Risto
<a href="/users/BigDog91" target="_blank">@BigDog91</a> I like your thought process of moving UFA’s for future assets.
Bonino for Sheary is a great idea of moving a LW (a position that Buffalo has depth Skinner, Olofsson, Vesey and even Johansson) for a player who fills a position that needs help Center.
Vesey and Sobotka could return 3rds if Vesey could find some goals by the TDL even more, Sobotka probably only a 4th, but I like your idea.
OK, let me go out on a limb here, if Scandella continues to play as he has, he could bring back a 2nd (he is on pace for 15 goals) and if a team is close to the playoffs and there are not many scoring LHD on the market, who knows what he will bring back. Same with Bogosian if he can demonstrate that he has recovered from his surgery a RHD seems to be valued very high at the TDL.
I commented on Toffoli below and finally, I really hope Ristolainen is only traded for a huge return, he is still playing 24 a game for his 4 coach.

<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a> I would like to add Toffoli, but I agree that Asplund would fit better in the Sabres future than Toffoli (a replacement for Girgensons or Larsson at half the price). As mentioned he is a UFA and I think Betterall will not be trading picks for short term incremental improvements.

<a href="/users/Skyraider112" target="_blank">@Skyraider112</a> You are correct that the team has certainly jelled, but moving UFA’s for future assets (when there may be young replacements in the Juniors or AHL) is a good plan.

<a href="/users/Swagmaster" target="_blank">@Swagmaster</a> I agree, IMO Thompson or Cozens (or both) may be ready at the TDL. Let’s not trade for Toffoli.

<a href="/users/Sabresforlife" target="_blank">@Sabresforlife</a> I think I would rather have Montour. He was the Sabres best defensemen the 20 games he played with the team last year.

<a href="/users/Jdfitz77" target="_blank">@Jdfitz77</a> Well some are not great, but the over all the idea of moving UFA’s for future assets is a good plan. IMO the plan above just needs some tweaking. Do you have any thoughts on ways moving out the UFA's and making room for Bogosian, Montour, Thompson and Cozens?