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Forum: Armchair-GMJul 25 at 4:52
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Yup the Sabres had a lot of bad luck last year.
If Hutton does not go blind and have a 0-8-4 stretch, they are on the heels of the Leafs for the 8th best in the east.
I think if their luck changes, and the young players (Mittelstadt, Thompson and Cousins) can perform, this team is in the hunt.
Let me add, Dahlin, Eichel, Ristolainen all improved dramatically last year, another jump ahead and maybe all three are all stars.

Two points that go against conventional wisdom on this site:
First, Krueger was not a good coach:
Sobotka on the second line?
Four players have career bad years, Vesey, Rodrigues, Skinner and Sheary.
PK and PP were terrible.
NHL players need a coach not a cheer leader. No one ever accused Bowman of being a cheerleader.
I am afraid we lost Pilut and Vesey will never think of returning because they were mishandled.

Second:
Few people on this site will agree with your line up EVER having a chance of making the playoffs.
That was Botterill's vision and we all know Botterill is a bad GM.
After all he traded away O'Reilly! I guess I am the only one who listened to O'Reilly's entire post season interview.
Botterill made several mistakes:
He should not have fired Housley.
The Scandella trade was terrible. The Frolik trade was worse.
While Johansson was a good addition, we also needed a Center (Reinhart?!) and RW (Rodrigues, Sheary, Thompson?)
While I liked his under the radar free agents (Lazar, Dea, Gilmour and Hammond) a mid 6 center or RW would have been good.
Who blinked last year, Botterill or Brisebois? JT Miller would have looked really nice on this team.
(An aside that is where luck has a lot to do with success. Brisebois wanted Ristolainen and would have paid for him, over the summer he got Shattenkirk for FREE)
He should have paid O'Reilly's bonus (oops, were his hands tied?)

As for the line up.
I think Olofsson needs Jack to get goals.
I think we should have had Sam at center last year instead of Johansson.
Casey and Tage are not busts.
I loved Girgensons and Larsson, but they have priced themselves out of the team.
Adding Miller and Jokiharju while having Montour for an entire season made this a good defense, not the coaching.
You are correct, this team is close, maybe a LHD, and 2nd line forward could be added.
I wonder if Larsson could jump up to #2 Center with Skinner. Did that work well last year?

That is my rant, I am sorry I high-jacked your post for my ravings.
Forum: Fauteuil - DGJul 25 at 2:00
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 23 at 4:01
Thread: Murray logic
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 23 at 3:51
Thread: cut the cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LumberJacques</b></div><div>Look I am one of the biggest defenders of Domi's value on here but when a young player scores at the rate Olofsson did this season you shouldn't rush to trade him. You need to see more games before commiting to anything (same applies to Domi).

Chicago thought the same thing about Panarin; maybe he was a product of Kane and they didn't want to pay him too much. Turns out he was good on his own too. I'm not saying it'll happen with Olofsson but you need to see what he really is first, and so does MTL with Domi.</div></div>

I agree the Saad for Panarin trade looks really bad.
I am old cannot retain as much as younger people can, but could Bowman have thought that he could not resign Panarin and traded him?
Was Stan also looking for LW to balance the line up.
As I said, I do not completely know all of the facts.
Regardless, the trade looks really bad based on talent, but Saad is still a Black Hawk for another year while Panarin is a Ranger now.

As to Olofsson, he is a pure sniper.
You do know he tied an NHL record with 6 straight PP goals (shared with unforgettable players as The Winnipeg Jets' Craig Norwich (1979-80), Hartford Whalers' Sylvain Turgeon (1983-84) and New York Islanders' Jeff Norton (1987-88 to 1989-90))
As i said, if he will be a bit better than Domi, that is fine with me, as I need a center more than a LW. littlejerryseinfeld has a strange view of reality. Buffalo needs a center and could afford to move a LW to obtain one.
As to Domi, I agree, he may even have a higher ceiling than Olofsson.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 23 at 3:23
Thread: Murray logic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Lehner was and is a fantastic goalie. Buffalo is such a pathetic city he turned alcoholic here. Botterill let him walk despite visibly being a good goalie. If Botterill invested in him instead of wishing him luck and sending him on his way, we may have locked him down long term for half the cap hit hes about to get. Pysyk is not that great, Pysyk stats are also skewed higher this year because he was playing forward, and the Sabres got Asplund in that deal as well. "Tyler Myers for Bogosian" C'mon thats the Evander Kane trade dont mask it by leaving that part out. Myers has also been a resounding disappointment unfortunately. "A third round pick to the Pittsburgh Penguins to be able to hire Dan Bylsma" Bylsma must have been a good coach if Murray was only bringing in scrubs as insinuated. I cant eve find the pick that we sent them. "A third went to the Nashville Predators to get the negotiation rights to Jimmy Vesey?" the Sabres had 3 3rd rounders, Nashville got 76 OA, Rem Pitlick, in fact their was nothing pick remotely close to 76 that I'd lose sleep over. Also nhltraderumors.me is not a reliable source and the guy was completely guessing in that evaluation. Murray wasnt good, I'm agreeing with some of those trades being bad, but theirs no reason to be unfair.</div></div>

I find it incredible that you are still defending Murray.
Bottom line my friend:
He took over a last place team with prospects, picks and assets to sell.
Three years later his guidance brought us a last place team with not extra picks, no prospects and damaged goods to sell.
ANYONE with eyes could see that.
He made terrible trades and missed huge opportunities.
You completely lose any credibility defending him.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 23 at 2:46
Thread: cut the cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LumberJacques</b></div><div>Realistically Buffalo isn't trading Olofsson.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riley816</b></div><div>Looks like Montreal and Buffalo don't match up as trade partners...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>Olofsson was on pace for 30 goals in his <strong>rookie season</strong>. There is 0 chance we trade him. Domi is good and I would like to acquire him, but not by trading one of the few NHL worthy forwards we have. Also in 2-3 years time, Olofsson &gt;&gt; Domi</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Shirts will be riped over that one. Way to tease a suffering fanbase.

I'm not getting into that one. I'll go get the popcorn.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>It’s unlikely but I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable offer.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>no thank you from buffalo

we are a team that struggles to score and Olofsson is very good at it.

Can I interest you in a top 10 (or 7) protected 2021st 1st for domi instead?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NeedTheCleanser</b></div><div>I’d do it from BUF</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>They're the same age.......how can you judge one will be better then the other when both will likely improve. Olofson will score more but its not like he is younger and has time to get drastically better</div></div>

If I am Buffalo I make that trade for many reasons:
First, Buffalo has a glut of LW without Olofsson. Skinner, Kahun, Johansson, Mittelstadt and they have prospects.
Second, Buffalo needs a center. Even if Cozens could be better than Domi, then great Buffalo has two #2 Centers.
Third, most important, will Olofsson be another PP specialist as Moulson? Or stats inflated by a great center as Jonathan Cheechoo were playing with Joe Thornton?
Fourth, let's presume Olofsson scores 30 or more goals every year for the next five years, Domi has established himself as a solid 50 pt center man.

IMO Buffalo would need to add, to pry Domi out of Montreal if Olofsson was the center piece of the trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 23 at 2:28
Thread: Murray logic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OrganizedConfusion55</b></div><div>Seems more like botts logic to me</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Nightmare</div></div>

This will sum it better than I:
<a href="https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/sabres-still-paying-sins-tim-murray" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/sabres-still-paying-sins-tim-murray</a>

Here is some real Murray logic in case we all forgot:
Robin Lehner and David Legwand to Buffalo Sabres for round 1 pick in the 2015 draft. A cap dump and a bipolar alcoholic for a first when Cam Talbot was traded for 2nd a 3rd.
Braydon McNaab and round 2 pick in the 2014 draft and round 2 pick in the 2015 draft to Los Angeles Kings for Hudson Fasching and Nicolas Deslauriers. I would not make that trade for any ONE of those three pieces. Now McNaab would look really good in Sabre uniform.
Josh Gorges for a second?
Mark Pysyk for Kulikov?
Tyler Myers for Bogosian?
A third round pick to the Pittsburgh Penguins to be able to hire Dan Bylsma?
A third went to the Nashville Predators to get the negotiation rights to Jimmy Vesey?

<strong>But what really is bad is the trades he missed:</strong>

Ristolainen for Hall
<a href="https://buffalohockeycentral.com/2019/07/09/sabres-reportedly-turned-down-deal-for-hall/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://buffalohockeycentral.com/2019/07/09/sabres-reportedly-turned-down-deal-for-hall/</a>
<a href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4s1Cwk-NFbUJ:https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/buffalo-sabres-ristolainen-for-hall-food-for-thought-091116+&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4s1Cwk-NFbUJ:https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/buffalo-sabres-ristolainen-for-hall-food-for-thought-091116+&amp;cd=2&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us</a>
<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/care66/gregor_apparently_the_sabres_turned_down_a/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/care66/gregor_apparently_the_sabres_turned_down_a/</a>
<a href="https://www.12up.com/posts/sabres-reportedly-turned-down-laughable-deal-from-oilers-for-taylor-hall-years-ago-01df9szacw2v" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.12up.com/posts/sabres-reportedly-turned-down-laughable-deal-from-oilers-for-taylor-hall-years-ago-01df9szacw2v</a>
Who could pass on Hall for Ristolainen?


Stewart for 2 seconds
<a href="https://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/03/bruins-peter-chiarelli-made-two-different-offers-for-chris-stewart/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/03/bruins-peter-chiarelli-made-two-different-offers-for-chris-stewart/</a>
He got 54th over all for Stewart from MIN, if he made the trade with Boston he would have received a 44th in 2015 and 44th in 2016.
And this trade would have been made in October of 2014 when the Sabres wanted to do poorly.


Moulson and Ehrhoff to the Kings for Pearson, Green, first and third
<a href="https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2014/03/nhl-trade-rumors-matt-moulson-to-la.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2014/03/nhl-trade-rumors-matt-moulson-to-la.html</a>
He got nothing for Ehrhoff and only 2 seconds for Moulson

BTW Murray took over a team that finished last but had the top ranked prospect pool, extra picks and assets to trade.
His trades made Buffalo a last place over all, with no extra picks, and one of the worst ranked prospect pools.

Yes this is my typical rant about Murray, he was Terrible.

BTW, let me add, about that last place team that brought us Dahlin. After Botterill added defense, secondary scoring and Stanley Cup experience the Hockey writers predicted it would make the playoffs.
Where did the Sabres finish with O'Reilly?
Where was St. Louis before Binnington joined the Blues?
Same place in the standings.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 10 at 2:47
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 10 at 10:57
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Well, this is not a composition for the playoffs, IMO. Cozens may not yet be ready for the NHL, not to mention the role of 2C. Even if he is ready, I would prefer to give him a safer role. Mittelstadt will probably be sold or will spend season in the AHL. Krueger does not trust the youth too much, he even reduced time to Dahlin and did not rush his development, what to speak about Casey and Tage. Thompson has not yet shown himself in the NHL, but maybe he will be on the list and will fight for the fourth line. I would not return anyone Vesey, Sheary, Sobotka, Frolik, Simmonds, these guys are not helpers to us.

What should Adams do in the offseason:

- find 2C
- find RW for top 9
- find another LD
- get away from Hutton and find a partner for Ullmark

Composition:

Skinner/Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart
Skinner/Olofsson - 2C - Kahun/MoJO/acquired RW
MoJO/Kahun - Cozens - Kahun/MoJo/acquired RW
Asplund/Arttu - Lazar/Larsson (if stayed) - Okposo/Tage</div></div>

I do not think our visions are that different.
Obviously a different GK would be great, I wonder if Talbot would sign with Buffalo.
Haula or Galchenyuk or both could be cheap insurance in case the kids do not break into to the line up.
My line up is not much different than yours other than you do not think Mittelstadt will be in the NHL.

Olofsson - Eichel - Kahun
Skinner - Cozens - Reinhart
MoJo - Mittelstadt - Okposo/Tage
Asplund/Arttu/Girgensons - Lazar/Larsson (if stayed) - Okposo/Tage

Tage had a great 2019 AHL playoff, a great prospect challenge and a great 24 games in Rochester: 12-9-21.
Dylan scored more pts and goals in 51 games this year as he did in 68 games last year.
Yup Mittelstadt is the big question mark IMO, but he is close. He had 39 pts in 114 games, hardly the stats of a bust who is only 21 years old.

IMO, sign a mid six forward (Haula or Galchenyuk), a new GK (Talbot), and trade a RHD not named Jokiharju for a LHD.
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Of course just my opinion, but maybe as soon as next year Cozens will have more NHL pts than Cirelli does in a year.
I would not make that trade.

Let me also remind every one that Buffalo missed the preliminary round because the team had at least 5 epic fails:
Hutton lost his vision and went 0-8-4 over a 12 game stretch.
Rodrigues, Sheary and Vesey all decided to have career worse years in the same season.
Skinner has a historic bad year.
The PK was deplorable.
The PP was even worse.
If any one of the above does not happen the team is in the preliminaries, if none of the above happen, the team is on the heals of the Leafs.

Let me add, Mittelstadt is not a bust, he has 39 pts in 114 game, Cirelli had 50 in his first 100 games playing for Tampa.
A chair may get 25 pts in 100 games playing for Tampa (his line mates last year were Stamkos, Killorn, Johnson and Palat).

Kahun, has played for 3 teams in 2 years (not a good sign), but in three different systems put up 68 pts in 138 games, nearly 0.5pts/gm.

Thompson looked like he was ready to leap the NHL, then ended his NHL season in his first NHL game.

All four may be on the team next year, I am NOT going to mortgage the future again only to finish last over all.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 9 at 8:25
Thread: Next year
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As usual a very complete and thoughtful answer.
I agree, what free agent would want to come to Buffalo with Kim and Terry running the show?
TBH, I was shocked that Johansson signed last year.
While the experiment at #2 center did not work out, his over all performance was about what I would have expected.

You are correct that they are several pieces away from competing.
But it took epic failures among many players to miss the preliminaries:
Hutton went blind and had a stretch of 0-8-4.
Skinner had a dismal season with only 14 goals.
The PK was beyond terrible.
The PP started out great, but then it digressed to 4 players standing around watching Jack play with the puck looking for an open shot.
Sheary, Rodrigues and Vesey all had the worse year of their short careers.
If any of those had not taken place, I am sure the Sabres would have had one more point.
But collectively, if each item had been at least an average performance, then they are near Toronto in the standings

I am not sold on Krueger, how could he think Sobotka was a #2 RW, ahead of Rodrigues, Okposo, Sheary, Thompson, Mittelstadt?
I did not like how he kept Skinner on the second line.
My son thinks Botterill had a two year plan, and Krueger was his Ted Nolan. A rah, rah coach who would help the team to get a better draft pick.
Then bring in a real coach.
But the little I know about Botterill, I think he did not want to fire the staff and Kim and Terry let him go and brought in their sycophant Adams to do their dirty work.
I have no idea how the team will conduct a draft without scouts.
I know analytics are important, but both Florida and Arizona rely on them and they are not exactly Stanley Cup contenders.

BTW, I am giving up my season tickets now.
I was so excited when Pegula bought the team.
He brought in Terry Murray and Craig Patrick to help with the hockey decisions.
Ted Black to help market the team.
Of course Ted Nolan to help secure the first OA pick.
Then Tim Murray rushed the rebuild only to have the team get the first OA pick finally.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 8 at 11:19
Thread: Next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>Roslovic is a 3rd liner
Can we please stop bringing in guys &amp; playing them above where they should be???
Risto should be worth more than that- if not, keep him

Why are we trading Montour for picks?
At least use him to get a real RW2, add if necessary

I’d attempt to trade for Domi after the draft
Don’t really wanna give up pick8

Don’t think there’s anything we can do with Okposo. We’re pretty much stuck with him. He won’t be on the bench though. Even though he’s obviously very overpaid, he played well in his 4th line defensive role for us</div></div>

Hello my friend, I have not seen you on in<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>Roslovic is a 3rd liner
Can we please stop bringing in guys &amp; playing them above where they should be???
Risto should be worth more than that- if not, keep him

Why are we trading Montour for picks?
At least use him to get a real RW2, add if necessary

I’d attempt to trade for Domi after the draft
Don’t really wanna give up pick8

Don’t think there’s anything we can do with Okposo. We’re pretty much stuck with him. He won’t be on the bench though. Even though he’s obviously very overpaid, he played well in his 4th line defensive role for us</div></div>

Hello my friend, I have not been on for a while.
I hate nearly every Montour trade I see a Sabre AGM propose.
If I were building a team, I think there may be some interest from Calgary to swap Montour for Hanifin.
If compares them on revolving hockey, they are very close.
If one also considers RH gives higher scores to players on good teams, they maybe even.
But let's say Buffalo needs to add a small amount.
Then went to FA and signed Haula or Galchenyuk or both.
They get their #2 LHD and #2 center without giving up a ton of assets.
I anxiously await your comment.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 29 at 3:03
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>dont disagree with you there, just didnt have our thoughts aligned, no worries
Yeah buffalo tore down and gained all that draft capital, and went crazy making win now trades. Didnt really seem like they knew what kind of team they wanted to build and just got guys who were available hoping for best.</div></div>

OMW, that is exactly what my son said! He said it a little more harshly, Murray traded for the trash the Avs, Jets and Sens wanted to unload. While the value for each (except for Lehner) was reasonably fair, the team had no chemistry and could not make a loser into a winner. Every team they went to had recent playoff experience and they did not mess up their new teams winning attitude.
I think most NHL owners know that Murray totally messed up the rebuild. Three years after being released and he is not offered a job in any capacity by any club. Even Ruff found a job as a PK coach with the Rangers.

IDK when this team will win. Back to back seasons the team has great 10 game streaks, then they implode.
Botterill picks up a speedy young center and a hard hitting RW at the TDL and the team loses 6 in a row.
I think the Sabres have 4 good top 6 players, then the talent drops off.
Eichel has demonstrated that he is a top center, then there is nothing to back him up.
Johansson looked good at first then bombed.
Rodrigues was never given a chance to perform.
Kruger gets the team off to a great start but Skinner fizzes. IMO Kruger did not utilize the talent he had and was not always on the same page as Botterill. I am not in the locker room, nor in the front office, that is my opinion as a season ticket owner.

On to next year, let's try Reinhart at center. When he was drafted we were told he is a great passer, give him either Skinner or Olofsson to set up.
We are paying Okposo $6,000,000 a year, move him up to the top 6, give him a chance to earn his salary.
Give Vesey a one year contract and give him more quality ice time with either Jack or Sam.
At first the Johansson at center experiment looked good, but he would be better at LW.
I love Girgensons and Larsson, but if we need to pay them more than $1,800,000 for fourth line minutes, we need to move on from them.
Ullmark, IMO appears to be ready to take over the #1 role.
One of our RHD could be traded, but I am not sure if we will get the value for them.
I like Botterill, but I wonder what BriseBois offered him for Ristolainen back in 2019. I think Jason thought he was close to a deal and picked up Montour at bargain basement prices. I will be really upset if he was offered TJ Miller and turned it down. Any way, that is Tampa's luck. They get Shattenkirk for nothing and get a first for Miller.
Well that is my rant. This team is better than the one Botterill inherited, but it still cannot win.
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