Apr 10, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CrossFireX33</b></div><div>In terms of possession we got outplayed, but honestly the defense that was played while being attacked was great, just couldn't get the puck out. Yes there were a lot of shots but not a lot of them were good chances. The kings are a very experienced team and that showed with lots of possession, just looked like their talent wasn't there anymore. Basically: great game by Hutton, good game by the defense (just had trouble clearing), and an outstanding game by the third line. Hopefully this gets Mittelstadt going.</div></div>
Areas to build upon and continue:
While he made great saves, I thought Hutton was always in position. Can we credit Mike Bales for this? BTW, Carter set a Sabre record for most saves made to get a shut out.
Buffalo did not allow a shot over the last 8 minutes.
Mittelstadt is finally rewarded for his improved performance.
The PK finally played well. The PP was better than against the Ducks.
Areas to improve:
I also thought that too many times instead of clearing the pressure, the Sabre forwards too often were trying to make a play. Now I was not at the game, but maybe they were trying to make a stretch pass which I could not see, but IMO the coach has to be more concerned with protecting the lead at that point (get the puck out of the zone) v trying to pad the lead (making a perfect play).
They forgot how to win face offs, which allowed the Kings to control the play.
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I included all of you because you all commented. A couple of points.
First, IMO CrossFireX33 returns are what he would want. Those are his asking price. The difference between asking price and selling price are often very different.
Second, It is really hard to imagine a coach (whose job depends on who is on the ice) would play any one for nearly half of the game unless the coach had faith in him. Four different coaches have played Ristolainen 24 minutes a night, that sounds like they all had faith in him.
Third, there is no rush to trade him. The team is under the cap, the team has 3 NHL quality defensemen on the mend, yet have the NHL 4th best GAA. The team is off to a great start, why trade him unless the return is remarkable.
Fourth, a fair trade would be a young consistent 60 pt forward (one for one), or a first and a good prospect, or a 2nd and great prospect. This year Ristolainen has really impressed me, but he is not Hedman, Burns, Karlsson or Eriksson, so I could not expect more than any of them would return in a trade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Not worth it for either team</div></div>
While Buffalo has very good RHD, this is a great trade for a team that could a better RW than Sobotka.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salami4McDonalds</b></div><div>It does not make sense for any of the teams. We need to trade Risto only for help in the top 6 and not for another defender.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swagmaster</b></div><div>No he is not . I love the player too. Was hoping we would chose him . Hated the Nylander choice. Beyond all that the trade makes no sense for either team.</div></div>
Yup, I will believe until I can proven wrong, but I think final straw the broke the camel which finally convinced Pegula to fire Murray was not drafting friend of the Pegula family Chychrun. I wonder if Murray could have made a trade with Boston for their 2 first round draft picks and Boston picks McAvoy with the 8th pick and Buffalo gets Chychrun with the 14th pick.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>so LD is not deep on sabers it will show up eventually and opposite is true for ARI as RD is a bit weak. the plan should be mitts as 2nd center and cozens should slide into the 2nd RW spot eventual. so top 6 is ok for future should focus on solidifying other positions.</div></div>
Before the season started LHD looked weak, but right now it is looking pretty good. Dahlin will become a Norris winner in a couple of year. McCabe is rock solid and Scandella is erasing many of Jokiharju's mistakes. But I do not see Betterall making an essentially lateral deal as this when the team needs a top 6 RW.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>speed risto>chychrun, size R>C, offense R>C, defense R<=C, physicality R>C
potential is 2nd pair for both but risto has higher ceiling, its a step down in skill for the saber to help fill weakness from a strength</div></div>
I agree with your assessment. I do not want to see Ristolainen traded for a often injured LHD.
BTW you could add sturdiness to ranking. Jakob has played 68, 50 and 53 games the last 3 years while Rasmus has played 79, 72 and 78 games. Ristolainen has played 59 more games over the past 3 seasons.
First of all, I am a huge advocate of show casing players who may be traded. I do not think that is the plan, but I like your thought process. BTW our crash line is also getting more ice time than Mittelstadt’s line, could they also be dangled as trade bait? I think everyone knows how much I like Larsson and Girgensons, but maybe Asplund and Lazar could play nearly as well at half the Salary?
<a href="/users/Csick" target="_blank">@Csick</a> I agree, Johansson is a smart player and a great free agent acquisition, but he is not a # 2 center on a playoff team. I also agree that Buffalo could be in cap hell in two years.
<a href="/users/gerowrj16" target="_blank">@gerowrj16</a> Cozens is certainly making a case to be in the NHL this season with 5 goals and 9 pts in only 4 games. Next year could be interesting with Cozens and Thompson performing really well in the lower leagues.
<a href="/users/Cheddamonkey37" target="_blank">@Cheddamonkey37</a> I agree that trade never happens, IMO Betterall is very happy with his depth on the blue line. I have been watching the Sabres since their inception, I never remember the blue line being this strong. But if Ristolainen is traded this is the return that Betterall would want.
<a href="/users/Capitalfail67" target="_blank">@Capitalfail67</a> you are correct Buffalo’s RHD is very deep but that does not mean Buffalo should discount one of them to a team that needs defensemen. Ristolainen is still playing 24 minutes a night, so I would hardly call him a #4-6 dman. But you are correct, I would not trade Reinhart for Pionk.
<a href="/users/Wojme" target="_blank">@Wojme</a> I do not think Ristolainen will be traded unless it is for a 60 pt forward.
<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a> Let’s get excited about the current team, but you are correct the future looks even better.
I am bemused, I said both teams would say no, but I am getting push back emphasizing that the Jets would say no, but make appear that I think they should make the trade! I wonder what I need to do to say that I agree with people?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>Bottom line I wouldn’t be moving Vesalainen. To be completely honest, I really don’t want ristolainen. The guy should be moved up to forward lol, he was what -41 last year? I honestly would rather wpg not even consider a risto trade and just let their young guys develop.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Yeah if im looking at it from the 2 sides, its a bigger loss for Winnipeg than Buffalo. This would be a desperation attempt by Winnipeg that would fail rather quickly</div></div>
Actually it is potentially a big loss for the Sabres, let's presume Sheary and Perreault is more or less a wash.
We know Ristolainen can score 40 pts a year, we do not know if the player taken in the first or if Vesalainen will ever play in the NHL.
So Buffalo is actually taking the bigger risk in this trade.
But as I said, neither team will make this trade, so let's agree to that even though we have different reasons.
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A few observations:
-Ristolainen manages to play 24 minutes a night for 4 different head coaches, my take away is the person whose job is on the line and his success is determined by the players on the ice, all value Ristolainen more than any other defenseman on the roster.
-The last 4 years (including this year), Perreault (46 goals 117 pts) and Sheary (5 goals 120 pts) each played 221 games, neither PK’s, Sheary has a slight edge with more ice time last year but the two previous years the TOI are about the same, so who is more valuable? BTW, I would rather have 27 yo Sheary @ $3KK than 32 (in Jan 2020) yo Perreault @ $4KK (but I do love his name).
-The Blues rushed Thompson to NHL, and unfortunately the Sabres as well, Big players take longer to develop. In his last 12 AHL games he has 10 goals, he bulked up over the summer, he dominated the french connection 3 on 3, he was voted the team leader during that event, so I would not write him off too quickly.
-So my take away,
Ristolainen, Rasmus for 2020 1st round pick not enough for Ristolainen
Sheary, Conor for Perreault, Mathieu I would rather have Sheary
Thompson, Tage for Vesalainen, Kristian too much for Thompson right now, but ask me how I feel in January.
Both teams would say no. Betterall is very happy with his defense depth, and Cheveldayoff likes to fleece other GM’s (see DATM) and would probably not want to trade away his first round pick.
Of course this is my opinion and we all know we all have our opinions and we all have our but whole.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Probably not if we have to retain. Hes not worthless, hes a decent 4th liner, does not score, i mean he gets buried with d zone starts, but even when he does get chances to score not much happens. The best reason to trade him is that it opens up a spot and moves a guy out that has seen nothing but losing for his career. Probably have to wait until theres a losing streak, i dont see him being moved while we are playing well.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>Z probably won't be traded unless Sabres are out by TDL which I don't think will be the case. He is so valuable as a 4th line grinder.</div></div>
OMW, I have been preaching the value of Girgensons and Larsson it seems forever. Thank you I thought it was falling on deaf ears.
I also agree that the Sabres will be in the hunt for a playoff spot at the TDL.
On the other hand, if Asplund, Thompson, Pilut, Jokiharju and more are tearing up the AHL, we may see a lot of house keeping at the TDL. A third round pick for Girgensons or Larsson would be a decent return.
BTW please do not tell Tim Murray, but this is the way to build a champion and sustain the excellence:
first, let the prospects develop on a winning team in the AHL (the operative word here is winning),
second, trade the established NHL player on an expiring contract,
third, bring up the prospect,
fourth, use the picks to draft well,
fifth go back to the first step.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Jokiharju is Scandellas d partner and has made him look good, thats why he gets inflated ice time. Scandella has been better, this so far has been the best season for him in a Sabres uni (season is still young). But Scandella has hit his ceiling, hes a bottom pair guy and way over paid for it. Jokiharju has a much higher ceiling and is already playing at the level of Scandella. Thats why he should get the nod. I also havent seen anyone blame Scandella for the loss, but if they are thats just stupid.</div></div>
I know Nylander had a great preseason and good opening game, but probably no one was happier to see Jokiharju in a Sabre uniform than I. I just do not want to see him rushed, defensemen need more time and with the number of solid NHL defensemen on the roster, IMO it would be better for him to be in Rochester.
Second, no one should be blaming Marco, as he was only on the ice for one of the Jackets goals and that was on a PK. The team was badly out shot, badly out hustled, badly our chanced, the loss was a team effort. I hope they wake up in time for tonight game.
On the other hand that is a new twist, the player with more give away is making his partner look good! I agree that Marco is over paid, but he is still a solid NHL defenseman with a very hard shot. Since he is our 6th or even 7th defenseman, it is amazing how much the defense has been improved in one year. At the close of the 2017-18 season he was our top LHD with only Ristolainen playing more minutes than he. Now it is universally recognized that only injuries will keep him in the line up.