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Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 10:12 p.m.
Thread: Avalanche offseason
No need to worry, Sakic would never offer that for Tuch.
Tuch > Compher compare their careers to date games 255 goals 61 pts 139 v games 283 goals 58 pts 118
Vegas 2022 first > Colorado 2023 first
Krebs Center 17th OA 2019 = Olausson LW 28th OA 2021
Vegas 2023 2nd minus Buffalo's 2023 third < Helleson RD 47th OA 2019
Less than Eichel but darn close
Imagine if Colorado had offered 2 firsts, Krebs, Olausson, Helleson and Compher for Jack, there would be dancing in the streets.
Three prospects (center, LW, RHD), NHL RW who PK's and two first round picks.
No this trade would never happen.
If playing for the Sabres was not Tuch's life long dream I could see the Sabres accepting this offer.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres_Insider</b></div><div>This doesn't really help Buffalo <strong>Maybe would not help this year, but Compher can PK and score, with a first and two prospects!</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bdawwwgy1</b></div><div>Doubt tuchs available and hes gonna be a huge part of the sabres. I like Behrens alot but this should be a fat no</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NMAvsFan</b></div><div>Tuch has said he wants to be in Buffalo and that is an overpay anyhow. <strong>Yes, Unlikely Tuch will be traded any time soon, but yes HUGE over pay!</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>Tuch won't likely be available but he's the ideal kind of target for the Avs. I'd say that's a bit of an overpay though. <strong>IMO a huge over pay!</strong></div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: picks prospects and cap dumps at or before the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>These aren't actual trades.

These are posts made by random people on the internet.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>Someone else posting a trade that doesnt make sense doesnt qualify as justification for you also posting a trade that doesnt make sense. It's a bad trade in this post just like its a bad trade in the other one.</div></div> You are both correct, but your comments that the SENS <strong>WILL NOT ADD ASSETS</strong> to move him also apply to this same belief as we are just guessing.
You are both most likely correct.
IMO, no one claim him, but someone will trade for him.
Once he clears waivers the team that trades for him could put him on waivers without risking losing him.
I sort of wish my Sabres would pick him up as he is a HUGE improvement over Dell.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 12:42 p.m.
Thread: picks prospects and cap dumps at or before the TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>The Pens definitely need to upgrade the backup position. Is Anderson the answer? Possibly...<strong>I was thrilled the Sabres signed Anderson,
I was shocked it was for only the league minimum.
I noticed that the penguins PP was not very good, I thought a PP specialist could be useful.
I will yield to your knowledge of the Penguins.
DeSmith, Casey + 2022 4th round pick (PIT) for Anderson, Craig?</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Byrr</b></div><div>Doubt Miller will get a 2nd. He's just the Sabres' Justin Holl...<strong>Holl ZERO points -1, Miller 11 pts +3. Miller's pts rank 14th among all NHL RHS. Holl ranks LAST!
The Leaf's a team are + 13 while the Sabres are -10.
But some how a RHD who ranks among the top 15 in pts in the NHL is trash.
What sort of blue and white happy pills are you taking?</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>thewookie1</b></div><div>Stop trying to make Myers to Buffalo a thing... <strong>I know, most ACGM think of Tyler as a dump.
I am adding a 2nd to Buffalo and that could be among the top 35 this year, nearly a first.
Finally, Myers would be the Sabres top RHD and Murray could be the GK until Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen or Portillo or Levi are ready.
Brännström would be a really good prospect, I know he is a LHD but he would be better than many first round picks</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>In no world does Ottawa pay Brannstrom to dump Murray.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>We are not spending assets to dump Murray.</div></div> I refer you the following trades:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2922367
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2922393
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 15 at 3:01 p.m.
Thread: Realistic trade based on the NHL season thus far
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>&gt; score 4 goals against reigning champion
&gt; reward: get traded to Buffalo
Major disrespect.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Detroit is not a trade partner for Eichel. This value isn't good for Buffalo either, but even value aside, Eichel to Detroit makes no sense.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>That's 1st place Buffalo</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>This wasn't thought out very well.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Roysboy72</b></div><div>Eichel has nowhere close to enough value if you want to acquire the future Maurice Richard Trophy winner (on a 292 goal pace mind you) <strong>Thank you my friend, you understood the post better than anyone!, I was thinking of adding Buffalo's '22 and '23 first round picks, I guess I should have.</strong></div></div> All for fun my friends.
I was going to make a TDL post based on the one game and Buffalo receiving first round picks for each of Miller, Skinner, Girgensons, and Okposo, but I thought too many people would not understand that was just for fun, as this is.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 13 at 9:59 p.m.
Thread: Lines to Start the Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sabres_Insider</b></div><div>I think this team will do better than last year. You can call me crazy but I actually believe it. Granato is the obvious reason. But with Eichel, Reinhart, McCabe, Risto, and Ullmark, this team finished last in the league twice. Maybe now that the team is completely changed, and that the culture is changed, maybe this team is better</div></div> I think Granato could be a difference maker, I agree, it was time to make a change.
The Sabres finished the season 9-11-2 45% v 6-23-5 25% through the first 34 games.
I like the UFA's we signed.
I wanted Pysyk last year, getting Hinostroza was huge and Keeping Caggiula was a smart move.
I also like that there are not any first year players on the opening night roster, they were all sent to Rochester to grow and start in a winning atmosphere.
I am hoping butcher can produce in Buffalo as he did in NJ, Skinner will get 30 goals, Mittelstadt will reach 70 pts, Thompson will get 20 goals, and Cozens will look like a #1 center.

On the other hand.
I thought the 2017-'18 Sabres were going to be much better.
The 2016-'17 Sabres defense was terrible, Franson, Gorges, Bogosian, Falk, and Kulikov all played 45 games or more.
Two years later all but Bogosian and Kulikov are out of the NHL.
The following year we add Scandella, Beaulieu, to the defense while Pominville, Scandella, Wilson and Nolan all had Stanley Cup experience were also added.
The '16-'17 team did not have any secondary scoring Pominville and Pouliot added 16 and 13 goals respectively, not great but better than the previous year.
Let me add, the Hockey Writers predicted the Sabres would end their playoff drought, so I was not the only one excited about the changes.
So what happens the team goes from 78 pts to 62 and last place overall, 16 pts worse instead of 16 pts better.


I know I am getting long winded, I am excited about the future.
Power, Samuelsson, Bryson, Johnson, Laaksonen on defense, Quinn, Peterka, Rosen, Pekar, Murray, Weissbach up front and UPL, Levi and Portillo net minders.
But 7 years ago ESPN had 8 Sabre prospects ranked among the top 100 NHL prospects.
Reinhart was the highest rated at # 7 and McCabe was the last at 72nd.
I was super excited about the future, it looked really bright.
The other five were Possler (69th), Armia (60th), Compher (51st), Fasching (44th) Zadorov (21st), Grigorenko (17th)
NONE of them are on the team but all but Grigorenko, Possler and Fasching are in the NHL now.
Here is the complete list: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/2dd2uj/espns_top_100_prospects_insider_only_list_in/
BTW Gaudreau was ranked 42nd.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 13 at 5:44 p.m.
Thread: Lines to Start the Season
Nice job.
That Mittelstadt line played well in the last preseason game, and Mittelstadt was one of the best forwards the last 22 games of last season.
I think Hinostroza will do well in Buffalo, IMO that shows how weak our RW will be if he is on the first line.
The fourth line will keep most teams in their defensive zone as all of them are really strong along the boards.
Bryson can skate really well I would have him in the line up over Hagg as you do, but I think we will see more of Butcher than Hagg..
I have this dream that Butcher, Hagg, Pysyk Miller and Hinostroza are doing really well at the TDL and Karmanos is able to flip each of them for second round picks.
No matter how well the defense or forwards play, the GK are all ordinary and will not win many games on their own.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 30 at 9:27 a.m.
Thread: Interesting Sabre trades from today
Thanks for the comments.
I agree that these trades are all in favor of the Sabres but were posted by non-Sabres ACGM's so I wanted to test them.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>The Blues almost certainly want less than nothing to do with Hagg, and they sure as hell wouldn't be the team adding here. Scandella is far, far better than Hagg even on his bad days. But really, you're expecting way too much in all of these trades. <strong>I thought the same, but all of them were posted by ACGM other than Sabre fans. So I wanted to confirm what I believed.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheEarthmaster</b></div><div>Yeah I'll take Scandella over Hagg, but I would be shocked if Buffalo isn't firmly on Scandella's no trade list, considering he requested a trade during his last season there. Hoping for a strong season from Scandella so we can move him next offseason. We'll need the cap space. <strong>I really liked Scandella and was really disappointed when Botterill only received a 4th when STL gave up a second later on. From what I read, that is Pegula interfering with the GM. He does not like to retain, so Botterill had to take what he could.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>Scandella and Hamonic are the exact same entity
So this AGM just caused the universe to collapse
Help:s <strong>LOL</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>I’m going to wait and see what we have with Hagg before we sell him off. Everybody knows Buffalo intends to sell any pending UFA contract that somebody wants, but they also have to take on payroll so they never drop below the salary floor. Honestly it would actually make sense for them to take on more salary in an Eichel trade than they give up. <strong>I sure hope Karmanos does a better job this TDL than Adams did last year. Really a second for Hall!</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fff</b></div><div>Take out Gadj than Vancouver accepts <strong>I agree.</strong></div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 8 at 2:38 p.m.
Thread: Two interesting trades I saw today
Thank you all for your comments.
It is obvious that I posted these trades as they would make Buffalo a whole lot better while only trading away Jack and Kyle.
I did not put Power into the line up but that defense is significantly better than last year.
Murray in net the GAA average could go down by as much as 0.5 g/m
While the NYR trade is close, remove the 2022 2nd and the 2023 first and it is closer, the Ottawa trade is just silly.
A two time Stanley cup GK for a 2 goal/yr forward.
Since both of the trades were made today, I wanted to combine them and show Sabre team that may not make the playoffs but one that would make a lot of noise in the Atlantic.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>The problem with that Sens trade is that there's upside in a potential Murray bounce back...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>if the sens want to save real money...but i dont see them doing it...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>...Sens don't do this...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jambo</b></div><div>...I probably do it if Kakko or Chytil come out of the deal....</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div>...Wow that's bad for Ottawa...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>...theres zero chance you trade out a goalie that you acquired for a 2nd...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Hes due.</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31 at 9:11 p.m.
Thread: Team should trade for Jack Trades are for demonstration not value value
Thank you all for your comments.
The purpose of this post was to point out how many teams may want Eichel.
I was lazy and could have included Vegas, Ottawa, and maybe Seattle.
I do not think LA, ANA, MIN have the team to go after Eichel.
Regardless, since there were not any strong objections to the concept of these four team possible perusing Eichel I will presume it is possible they all may have a strong interest.
That being the case, there may be decent bidding completion among several teams.


<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LGuy54</b></div><div>Who's Kakka?
<strong>Thank you for correcting my spelling
Yes of course it is Kakko, my dyslexia kicks in too often</strong> </div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>By Bergevin(who is the habs GM BTW) do you mea Bergeron?
<strong>Thank you for correcting my spelling
Yes of course it is Bergeron, because Bergevin is a bit older than 36</strong></div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JGCAHC</b></div><div>Probably autocorrect
<strong>No just my dyslexia takes over my fingers every once in a while</strong></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyconnor97</b></div><div>Not even close for the montreal deal</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>math731</b></div><div>What about Drouin, Primeau, One of Ylonen, Kapanen or Tuch and 2 first (2022 and 2023) for Eichel from MTL?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KennyBoi</b></div><div>Why do people still think Ritchie is in BOS?
<strong>Huge brain fart on my part, you are correct, It would be Haula</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BroadwayBlueshirts</b></div><div>They can have Kakka
<strong>Well Kakka would be a very s***ty prospect IMO</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>i feel like calgary would take that</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 28 at 9:17 a.m.
Thread: Jack to the Rangers
Thank you all for your comments.
As usual these are all fantasy trades.
My goal was to try to get as many first round picks next year.
If the Sabres were to draft well, maybe 2 to 4 of them would be ready in 3 years when most of the high cost low return contracts were over.
I noticed <a href="/users/ON3M4N" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@ON3M4N</a> does not like the Strome trade and <a href="/users/CD282" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@CD282</a> is absolutely reviled with the Koskinen trade.
NP, only a fun site to pretend we are actual NHL GM's.
It would be nice if we actually had the data base that they did?
Regardless, maybe the trades need a little tweaking or twerking and maybe Olofsson could be moved if Buffalo thought DeBrusk could net 15 or more goals.
I hope Buffalo can make more trades as the Butcher one and get a serviceable player and a pick as well.
More direct comments below.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>I'd be surprised if the Rangers said no to that.</div></div> Yes I have seen similar trade posted, I agree it is most likely what will be in any package for Eichel. Young roster player with a good ceiling, another roster player to balance the cap, a couple of picks and maybe another roster player. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dmaz026</b></div><div>Gonna have to say every team probably declines. If that's what the NYR offered the trade would've been done a long time ago.</div></div> Well maybe this is the offer and Karmanos is trying to tie up the other pieces to the trade. Move Strome, Georgiev and the second round pick. This is a quiet time in the NHL, the last trade was in July. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Drop the 2nds from the EDM and Boston trade. Koskinen would be a cap dump that gets waived halfway through the season for UPL and Strome is a lot better than DeBrusk, even if Strome has been carried</div></div> I agree with you completely. I added the seconds to make the trades more equitable to contributors from other teams and you can see how that went. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>The problem is georgiev doesnt have a contract in 22-23 edmonton needs a goalie with money retained in that time frame.</div></div> Great feed back. Do you think Holland would make a similar deal if he wanted to move Kassian? Maybe a LHD, or Eakin and a second for the 2022 first? Let's face it $3,000,000 for 2 goals for the next three year. Who wants that contract holding down the team? <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>canucks accept</div></div> I know I have seen many posts as this one.
Myers is not terrible just over paid by at least $2,000,000/yr. BTW IYO could Vancouver use a LHD.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MooseOtter</b></div><div>This is honestly fair value for an Eichel trade at this point. Still don't think the Rangers should do it but the value is fair</div></div> Thank you for your input. You may be correct. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>It was going so well, then you traded for tyler myers. No, no, a thousand times no.</div></div> You may be correct, but if he is bad, then he will help the Sabres to do poorly. If he is merely over paid getting a first is a great deal, as the Sabres could retain his salary to collect more assets.
Either way it is a win and the Sabres get a first round pick this year.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Myers, for me, would cost 3 firsts. I figure its 5 million or so for a first, and myers who is awful, is owed 18 million. If it was for just this year, maybe, its gonna be a tire fire anyways, but i have no interest in bringing him on, especially since our right side is weak, i worry that they might just try to let him earn his money for 3 years, and i aint risking it for one lousy mid first.</div></div> You do know his 6 goals would have led the Sabres last year and his 21 pts were only 2 behind Dahlin.
Regardless, read my comment above. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Edmonton's not coughing up a 1st to downgrade their goaltending, despite the cap savings.</div></div> OK good point. Read above, how about Kassian for a similar deal above? <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>You can keep Strome</div></div> OK fair enough.
Just IMO, I think he would do as well with Hall as he did with Panarin.
But you know your Bruins better than I.

I think I will put to bed my dream of 6 (or even 7 if the Sabres could find the right buyer for Olofsson after DeBrusk is a Sabre) first round draft picks next year.
But that would be a really interesting draft.
If they had even 4 first round picks I would go to Montreal to watch it live.
I chatted with Mark Gandler, the year the draft was in Buffalo.
He was a very engaging individual willing to express his views and listen to a know nothing talk.
Oh BTW, I got an autograph photo of Wayne Gretzky as well, so it was quite and event for me.
He was an amazingly humble individual.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 14 at 5:16 p.m.
Thread: EICHEL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Yes</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Why would Edmonton have to give up more than NYR? This is a better return than basically every Eichel-to-Rangers trade I've seen on here. Double standard.</div></div> Wow! I was about to post how much I liked this trade.
Then I scrolled down to you to find the same thought.
Holloway, Bouchard, and Puljujärvi all have above average potential to be top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen.
Bouchard punches the first ticket <strong>RHD</strong>, If he were on the team he would most likely be paired with Dahlin.
<strong>RW</strong> prospect. Among Puljujärvi, Quinn, Peterka, Rosen I am certain the Sabres will find two blue chippers.
<strong>Center</strong> Similar idea among Holloway, Cozens, Mittelstadt, Ruotsalainen, Asplund the Sabres will find two decent 2nd line centers (not one of them will make us forget Jack).
Jack traded to a team out <strong>west</strong>.
<strong>Three picks as well</strong>

We can sit here an discuss Kassian and Koskinen value, but the former adds the long needed grit and the latter a decent GK tandem to keep the Sabres from being embarrassed too often this year.
I make this trade every chance I get. K and K will be gone by time the Sabres are competitive.

Let me add, I think by the time 2022 TDL rolls around Karmanos will be getting at least third round picks for Hagg, Butcher and Miller to add to the future draft picks.
Who knows maybe Koskinen finds his game and returns a pick as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6 at 4:42 p.m.
Thread: Is Eichel even worth it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Well, you're entitled to your opinions, but O'Reilly is almost a point a game center than wins 55% of his faceoffs and has a conn smythe and selke trophy, so he's not as bad as you think. I get he didn't do that for Buffalo and your sour about that, but he has been very good for the Blues. And Jack isn't worth four 1st rounders, no way no how. Especially with his neck issue. You're not a doctor I am assuming, and I'm not, so when I hear a guy wants neck disk replacement surgery at 24 years of age, I take that as something serious. Can it be fixed.....maybe....but maybe not. Maybe he will never be as good as he was before. You can't say for sure, NO ONE CAN, so no way he gets four 1st rounders in a trade in my opinion. Because if he WAS worth that much, he would have a new team by now.</div></div> https://mayfieldclinic.com/pe-hcdisc.htm
A herniated disc occurs when the gel-like center of a spinal disc ruptures through a weak area in the tough outer wall, similar to the filling being squeezed out of a jelly doughnut. Neck or arm pain, numbness or tingling may result when the disc material touches or compresses a spinal nerve. <strong>Treatment with rest, pain medication, spinal injections, and physical therapy is the first step to recovery.</strong> Most people improve in 6 weeks and return to normal activity. If symptoms continue, <strong>surgery may be recommended</strong>.

https://www.spine-health.com/conditions/herniated-disc/cervical-herniated-disc-symptoms-and-treatment-options

<strong>Most cases of cervical herniated disc pain can be successfully managed with nonsurgical treatments</strong>, such as over-the-counter pain medications, physical therapy to strengthen and stretch the neck, ice or heat packs, and/or activity modifications to avoid painful movements until the pain has subsided. Occasionally, oral steroids or an epidural or selective nerve root injection using x-ray guidance and contrast may be needed to help calm pain and advance rehabilitation.

I do not know what is the correct treatment, but this seems to indicate the Sabres are correct and recovery will lead to normal activity.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6 at 12:54 p.m.
Thread: Is Eichel even worth it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Guys that left this team have mostly done better with other teams. Lehner played really well for the Islanders and also for Chicago and now Vegas. Been top 6 in the Vezina voting each year since leaving Buffalo. O'Reilly didn't get lucky in St Louis, he was a big reason why the got over the hump and won a cup. His overall game took a big jump forward as soon as he escaped Buffalo. Their GM got value for Reinhardt and Risto because they are GOOD players, and they are HEALTHY. Taylor Hall looked like a kid in prison on the Buffalo bench, but look at what he did in Boston and they wasted no time giving him a contract. Bottom line is Jack is a GOOD player that has no history of being a good leader, no history of being a winner at the NHL level, and has a SERIOUS spinal injury. Do Buffalo fans think a team trading for him should take that into consideration? Trading for him at this point in time is very RISKY due to his spinal disk issue, and because of that RISK, his trade value goes DOWN. In his current state, he in NOT WORTH what Buffalo's GM thinks he is worth, and that is why he is still on the team. If I were the Buffalo GM, I would let the kid have the surgery he wants and hope that it solves his spinal issue. That way he can either have a healthy Jack Eichel playing for his team OR maximize his return then. What he has been doing with his so far is crazy in my opinion, because now he has a very unhappy player and zero leverage with GM's in a trade.</div></div> <strong>First</strong>, I have watched Jack play for 6 years, yes he is worth four good pieces.
<strong>Second</strong>, while the neck injury is causing some pain, I do not believe it is as severe as you are making it to be.
From the start of the season I could see he was not healthy, but he still had 18 pts in 21 games.
<strong>Third</strong>, as for getting value from players, one may say the Sabres got more for Ristolainen then they gave up for O'Reilly. A mid first, second and a Defenseman who was the darling of Philadelphia just a few years ago v Compher, Grigorenko, Zadorov and a second. Plus Buffalo had to take Jamie McGinn's salary.
I think the new assistant to the GM is making a HUGE difference, and it is not only because they players are good, Adams has no clue.
<strong>Fourth</strong>, please do not get me going on O'Reilly.
St. Louis was only one point out of playoffs the previous year and not only did the Blues add O'Reilly but David Perron and Binnington as well.
Binnington was insane going 24-5-1 after the new year.
If Dallas wins either of the last two games of their series, no one is lauding O'Reilly.
In the seventh game against the Stars O'Reilly was one of the few Blues who was minus (so he was on the ice when Dallas scored their only goal) Binnington won that game not O'Reilly.
Going into the final four he had the worst +/- of <strong>ANY</strong> skater in the playoffs.
If O'Reilly's performance surged after leaving Buffalo, then he was not playing up to his standard when he played for Buffalo and was a lousy leader and poor captain as you pointed out.
If he was so good, why did Colorado finish last in the Central in 2014-15 (the year he was traded) and why was Joe Sakic so eager to trade him if he was so valuable?
So in the years 2015 to 2018 the teams on which he played finished either last or second last, this is not leadership.
This is all a side argument.
The bottom line is jack is worth four first round picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6 at 10:23 a.m.
Thread: Is Eichel even worth it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Lets look at it another way, from a Ranger fan point of view (and could be any team's fan other than Buffalo). Jack has been with Buffalo for 6 years now. He has put up impressive individual numbers but the team has not seen 1 playoff game in those 6 years. Since 2013, the HIGHEST they have picked in the 1st round is 8th overall. 2013 they picked 8th (Ristolainen) and 17th (Zadorov). 2014 they picked 2nd (Reinhart). 2015 they picked 2nd (Eichel). 2016 they picked 8th (Nylander). 2017 they picked 8th (Middelstat). 2018 they picked 1st (Dahlin). 2019 they picked 7th (Cousins). 2020 they picked 8th (Quinn), and of course they just picked 1st overall again. There are some pretty good players in those picks along with Jack, yet they can't even make the playoffs 1 year. On top of that, they have signed some pretty good players along the way, and still can't ever make the playoffs. I guess part of the failure can be placed on coaching and ownership, but at what point do they players bear responsibility for such underachieving? At what point does the captain of the team get some of the blame for failure every year? Players have been fleeing Buffalo the past few years like its a prison break.....there has to be some reason for that, no? Individually, Jack seems to do well, but as a captain and leader of his team, not so much in my opinion. Add to that a serious spinal issue at age 24 and a $10/million a year cap hit for 5 more years and you have to say, why do we want this guy? Yeah, he has talent, but he isn't healthy at the moment and he isn't a leader or proven winner at the NHL level. You want the equivalent of 4 first rounders for him.....ummmm....no thanks is all I can say. I wish the kid well, and I hope his neck issue heals, but until it does, I wouldn't trade a bag of pucks for him.</div></div> I find nothing wrong with your evaluation.
Four different GM's, seven different HC <strong>ONE </strong>owner!
Eight year ago Tim Murray sold the farm to bring in players other teams wanted to trade away.
We all know about Evander Kane.
He had to know about Lehner's mental problems since Tim was with the Sens just the previous year.
O'Reilly comes to town and immediately drove his truck into a Tim Horton's and runs away from the scene of the accident.

Four years ago Botterill became GM.
IMO he made great moves to change the culture.
He brought in Wilson and Nolan, each had two rings; and Scandella, Beaulieu, Pominville, Pouliot all had playoff experience.
Half way through the season Nolan says there is not any accountability on the team.
At the end of the season O'Reilly says he lost his love of the game before the season started.
Kane is traded at the deadline, O'Reilly at the end of the season, Lehner was never qualified and left.
So Kane is now facing serious charges, Lehner is with his third team and O'Reilly was lucky that Binnington joined the Blues in January.
BTW the Blues were in last place up until January, that trade was looking really good half way through the season as the Sabres were in first place.

On the other hand, Jack was very lazy until O'Reilly was traded away.
He played no defense, did not fight for pucks, and was typically the last forward back on defense.
After O'Reilly was traded, I noticed a <strong>HUGE</strong> change in his play.
It did not help the team, one can conclude as you are, there are serious problems with the organization.

IMO Karmanos, the new assistant to the GM is already making a big difference.
He certainly received good value for Reinhart and Ristolainen.
You disagree, but I think he will receive value for Eichel as well.
I will not be surprised if Olofsson is traded as well as he is the same age as Ristolainen.

Finally, as to the draft picks, they suck.
Reinhart when Draisaitl was taken next, same with Nylander over Sergachev two year later.
With great draft positions one would think they would have a better prospect pool.

As I said, I do not disagree with anything you said.
The culture is very bad and IMO is comes from the top.

EDIT:
Four different Captains as well.
Everyone in Buffalo cried the BLUES when StL won the cup, but O'Reilly NEVER led the Sabres out of the basement.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 9:59 p.m.
Thread: Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Probably but not many of the prospects Murray gave up amounted to anything, where as ROR was a direct impact on the roster, subtracting about 60 points and replacing it with nothing then and currently. Thats why i see it as the catalyst for their current situation. I dont know why youre hell bent on putting all the onus on GMTM, neither were good and both are luckly gone</div></div>
I will agree with you the prospects did not pan out as expected, but 2015 was suppose to be deep draft and he traded away three picks 32 or better.
I lost track of how many 2nd and 3rd round picks he traded away.
His team finished dead last.
His draft picks were terrible, taking Reinhart over Draisaitl, and Nylander over Sergachev.
Did you forget that the Sabres finished dead last with him in the line up.
When a team finishes dead last the logical action is trade off assets.
Kane was moved at the TDL
O'Reilly was moved for two picks that resulted in Miller and nearly Montour (nearly the St. Louis pick so I think it is fair to say this) and Tage Thompson.
You can look this up, but the Sabres were doing well until Berglund left the team.

We can have different opinion of the O'Reilly second trade but one thing is clear, he gave up and the team finished last over all and the Sabres got Dahlin out of it.
IMO it is also clear, having multiple GM's and none have been successful.
Darcy Regier, Tim Murray, Jason Botterill and now Kevyn Adams have all failed to improve the Sabres.
Let's agree that the Sabres are in deep trouble, I think Karmanos may be able to turn it around.
He got good returns for Ristolainen and Reinhart.
I think he will do the same with jack.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 9:33 p.m.
Thread: Eichel in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Joronto</b></div><div>Not allowing Eichel to get neither artificial dis replacement... <strong>I am not a doctor and have not diagnosed Jack, so I do not know what is the best treatment, why do you?</strong> And Buffalo is famous for their good management and trades. Hall for a 2nd. Over and out. <strong>That trade was made before Karmanos became assistant to the GM. See the return for Ristolainen and Reinhart to measure the difference.</strong></div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GoodIdeaAtTheTime</b></div><div>Now is just about the worst possible time to trade him. They're probably daring him to go to medical arbitration because he'll definitely lose. (Wondering why he hasn't done it yet? That's why. Let the doctor promoting the surgery and himself blather on all he wants. No independent arbitrator is going to approve the replacement.) I'm putting my money on the team delaying as long as possible and keeping him out as long as possible with fusion (or suspension if he just gets the replacement on his own). They have until next draft to trade him before the NMC when there might be more clarity on the cap so why bother now? NMC importance is way overblown anyway. His alternative is...staying in Buffalo. He'll waive any number of places (wouldn't you?) but I agree that is the only way Boston is legitimately in the conversation right now. Hall was a professional who hadn't burned his bridges so Adams sent him where he wanted. Adams owes Eichel no favors...<strong>Thank you for your comment, neither you nor I nor any one other than the Doctors know.
Stating that the Sabres are intentionally holding up treatment is insinuating that the Sabres never wanted him to play for them again and intentionally reducing his value.
Any reasonable individual would know neither of these is true.</strong></div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 9:11 p.m.
Thread: Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Nah it would actually be the opposite of tire fire mentality. Trading ROR for the best trash trade available is what start this current mess theyre in, thats tire fire mentality. Letting the NHL deal with all the negative press of one of their premiere forwards sitting (and probably playing in Russia) for 5 years because the old boys club thought they could low ball the Sabres again, that would be refreshing</div></div> Actually it started when Murray traded a boat load for Kane.
Then giving up a first for a bipolar GK who had a drinking problem.
You my have forgotten that O'Reilly three times said he gave up.

Let's not forget a second for Georges.
Two seconds and McNabb for Deslauriers and Fasching.
Many more.

I guess you forgot that the sabres had only one NHL quality defenseman and no forward depth in 2016.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 6:55 p.m.
Thread: All in for 1 more cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DogDayCaps2</b></div><div>what an idiotic take....</div></div> <a href="/users/Tight_Fit" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Tight_Fit</a>
Let's take the worse case scenario and Washington wins the cup the next 3 years. The 3 firsts would still be equal to a 10 OA pick.
Schultz and Hagelin have the value of a 3rd each, so 2 thirds. I am presuming they are included to help with the cap. If Buffalo retained 50% of their salary, I am sure there are many teams who would want them.
<strong>McMichael</strong> on the other hand is the <strong>Jewel</strong> of this trade, and I will give the value of 2 first round picks.
Alexeyev is a very good LHD prospect who also has the value of a first round pick, unfortunately <strong>Buffalo has excellent depth at LHD</strong>, but I will still add in his value.
IMO Leason's value is difficult to place, let's agree to give him minimum value.
Then finally a 2nd and 3rd, both will be late in the round.
So what is my total four first round picks, 3 thirds, and a second and Leason who I do not know how to value. BTW, I said this is the worse case scenario.
Six picks, <strong>one top prospect</strong>, one very good prospect and some Sabre fans say no?
Jack have fun playing with Ovi, get ready to put your name on the Conn Smythe Trophy!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 6:22 p.m.
Thread: next year 159
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Elevatorboy</b></div><div>2 end of the round 1sts, a bust prospect, and 2 cap dumps is not fair value for a top 10, 24 year old franchise center, who is over a ppg player on a nothing roster. You have to give up something to get something.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habsfan00</b></div><div>you dont know where those picks will be, poehling is not a bust hes only 22, kulak isnt a cap dump. byron is thats what the 2nd rd pick is for. KK is good</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>Yawn. Quality is lacking.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>KK is not good for a 3OA pick. I much rather have Tkachuk who was drafted 4OA.</div></div> Lets be clear here:
Kotkaniemi and Poehling together have a little less value than two Casey Mittelstadts. Kotkaniemi has 62 pts in 171 games, Poehling 5 in 28 while Mittelstadt has 61 pts in 155. Casey is obviously better.
With Eichel does one think the Canadians would perform significantly worse than last year, if not the 2022 1st, 2023 1st and 2022 2nd would all be near the end of the round or two early 2nd and an early 3rd.
While Kulak may not be a pure cap dump as his salary is commensurate with his performance, but he would be playing in Rochester as the Sabres have Dahlin, Power, Hagg, Butcher, Bryson ahead of him.
Byron is a pure cap dump.
Buffalo is trading Eichel to Montreal for two Casey Mittelstadts, an unneeded LHD, two <strong>LATE</strong> firsts, a <strong>LATE</strong> second and a cap dump!
Let's turn the table.
Buffalo offers Mittelstadt, Thompson, Pysyk, 2022 2nd, 2023 2nd and Kyle Okposo for Suzuki, would ANY Montreal fan say yes?
Then no Buffalo fan will say yes to this offer for Jack Eichel.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 5:59 p.m.
Thread: Is Eichel even worth it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Elevatorboy</b></div><div>Lol you mad?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>delneggs</b></div><div>Lol...no...are you?</div></div> Jack had 18 pts in 21 games last year.
I noticed from the first game he was not playing with the same skill set as last year.
I am sure the neck is hurting him, but who is to say what is the best treatment? Rest and rehab or an untried surgical procedure?
IDK, but to say surgery is best, would be saying the Sabres never wanted Eichel to play for them again.
He was the first top center the Sabres had in the past 18 years every since Pat Lafontaine played his last game with them.
How many of you remember Lafontaine thought the Sabres were wrong about his concussions?
He forced the Sabres to trade him; played another 67 games; realized the Sabres were right and retired.

As to the trade <a href="/users/Elevatorboy" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Elevatorboy</a> is correct.
Make the changes and I think the Sabres would consider it.
He did not say they would reject it just consider it (think about it)!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 5 at 5:42 p.m.
Thread: what my ask would be from NY
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Id do that. Plus strome is most likely getting flipped for said late first anyways.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NoWah49</b></div><div>is New York a nice city?</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuckMyKakko</b></div><div>yea, I bet you would.
I sure wouldnt though.</div></div> You obviously think it is too much for Jack.
But why?
Kakko is not tearing up the league.
His stats are not as good as Mittelstadt at the same age and people were calling Casey a bust.
Schneider was drafted two years ago and is considered an OK prospect.
Chytil was drafted the same year as Mittelstadt and has 71 pts in 186 games 0.38pts/gm while Casey has 61 pts in 155 games 0.39pts/gm.
So Buffalo is getting two Casey Mittelstadt's a young unproven RHD and a center who many think looks good because he plays with Panarin.
How is this too much for Jack Eichel?
IMO you are greatly overvaluing the assets from New York and undervaluing Jack Eichel.