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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:36 am
Thread: 3 Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>Scandella is having a good season, but Historically, Jugs has been better over the last few seasons</div></div>

I really like RHC, and Jugs may be the right one for the Sabre.
I may be a dreamer, but with the sort of season Scandella is having, Betterall will want more.
I was a bit more optimistic than the hockey prognosticators when they predicted an 80 pt season for the Sabres, but I did not think they would be in second place in mid December.
I think Betterall will want future assets returned for Scandella at the TDL, or he may not trade him all and keep him for a playoff run. At the moment Buffalo is far from being desperate for forwards scoring. They have more goals than EDM and only 3 less than PIT or TML. The team played well during their 1-7-2 stretch and had terrible "puck -luck", but they seem to have turned the corner now 5-2-3 with wins over the Leafs, Blues, Oilers, and Panthers (all potential playoff teams) counted among those 5 wins.
IMO the Sabres need a good starting GK with Ullmark as back up instead of more 40 pt forwards as Chucky. They 4-6 in the extra time games this year. If they could have picked up 2 more wins they would be in a solid 2nd place Atlantic standing. I think Betterall likes have 8 NHL quality defensemen on the roster.
But just to be clear, let me close, I think the talent exchange of Miller for Galchenyuk is very fair, but not what the Sabres need now.
Finally, considering Chucky was the major piece in the Kessel deal, I sort of think the PEN's will be hesitant to move him for Miller.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:02 am
Thread: 3 Trades
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:25 am
Forum: Armchair-GMDec 3 at 5:44
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 29 at 3:55
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>I agree with making room for younger players,
But Bonino isn’t all that good (35pt player, meh)
And would conceivable take up Cozens spot at Center next year

But if we were trading for a guy like Ehlers, or even a Center of his quality, then I’d be all for it

It’s been 6 years since Bonino has scored 20goals
He’s not the 2C we are looking for

Johansson &gt; Bonino, Bujugstad, etc etc

If we are making a trade...
let’s get the best player possible regardless of forward position
Bc we are still building a team for the future, not this year

Example:
Skinner-Johansson-Ehlers, looks a lot better to me than...
Skinner-Bonino-Johansson

And then NEXT season...
Skinner-Cozens-Johansson
And then we slot Ehlers with Mittelstadt on line3

That’s how u build a championship contender imo</div></div>

I think I said we disagreed with Bonino, so you are correct. I guess adding an extra year of Bonino over Sheary makes that a bad deal.
BTW, I really like Sheary and only looking to add a center in place of him, but you are correct adding Bonino could easily stifle the growth of Cozens and Thompson.
Johansson is an incredibly smart hockey player, I was and even more now shocked that he signed only a 2 year contract with Buffalo. He is worth his entire salary and maybe a bit more.
BTW, what do you think the Sabres would need to offer to land Ehlers.
Lastly, I agree, a championship is built slowly not rushed trying to achieve a playoff team in one year.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 28 at 4:39
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jdfitz77</b></div><div>The problem imo with a lot of the teams ppl put together on here is that they lose sight of the overall goal...

And that is to build a team that can be a legit Championship Contender for years

Sure, in one regard trading Sheary for Bonino may make sense for us now (and i stress “maybe” bc I’m not a big Bonino fan at all)... but EXACTLY HOW does that type of trade move us towards our REAL GOAL?

Ppl on here are just impatient, looking for a quick fix
But this team is still a work in progress

Acquiring players with term left on their deals doesn’t make room guys like Cozens, etc
And it takes up slots where we could bring in a potential difference maker with all the Cap Space we will have in the
off-season

And again...
idk how much adding guys that are “decent” really helps us anyways?

Making trades for the sake of trades isn’t moving us in the direction of a Championship contender

And that should be the goal

Don’t need to rush things...
“trust the process”


And to answer your question about what I’d do...
NOTHING right now
We are 8-2-1
If a trade presents itself where we can add a “Core Player” that can help now, AND GOING FORWARD...
that’s when you pull the trigger

For example:
Getting someone like Ehlers from the Jets

But not Bonino, etc etc
Those guys don’t move the needle
Let’s not pretend they’d be difference makers for us
And let’s not spend assets on “rentals” on guys like Toffoli either (who i also don’t think is very good anymore)</div></div>

Very complete answer.
I think we agree. I definitely did not like the Toffoli and I only liked the trades moving UFA's for picks but a center would be more valuable than a LW.
You and I disagree with Bonino, but we appear to agree with making room for young players. Or did I mis read your comment.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 25 at 12:13
<a href="/users/BigDog91" target="_blank">@BigDog91</a> I like your thought process of moving UFA’s for future assets.
Bonino for Sheary is a great idea of moving a LW (a position that Buffalo has depth Skinner, Olofsson, Vesey and even Johansson) for a player who fills a position that needs help Center.
Vesey and Sobotka could return 3rds if Vesey could find some goals by the TDL even more, Sobotka probably only a 4th, but I like your idea.
OK, let me go out on a limb here, if Scandella continues to play as he has, he could bring back a 2nd (he is on pace for 15 goals) and if a team is close to the playoffs and there are not many scoring LHD on the market, who knows what he will bring back. Same with Bogosian if he can demonstrate that he has recovered from his surgery a RHD seems to be valued very high at the TDL.
I commented on Toffoli below and finally, I really hope Ristolainen is only traded for a huge return, he is still playing 24 a game for his 4 coach.

<a href="/users/Shibbal18" target="_blank">@Shibbal18</a> I would like to add Toffoli, but I agree that Asplund would fit better in the Sabres future than Toffoli (a replacement for Girgensons or Larsson at half the price). As mentioned he is a UFA and I think Betterall will not be trading picks for short term incremental improvements.

<a href="/users/Skyraider112" target="_blank">@Skyraider112</a> You are correct that the team has certainly jelled, but moving UFA’s for future assets (when there may be young replacements in the Juniors or AHL) is a good plan.

<a href="/users/Swagmaster" target="_blank">@Swagmaster</a> I agree, IMO Thompson or Cozens (or both) may be ready at the TDL. Let’s not trade for Toffoli.

<a href="/users/Sabresforlife" target="_blank">@Sabresforlife</a> I think I would rather have Montour. He was the Sabres best defensemen the 20 games he played with the team last year.

<a href="/users/Jdfitz77" target="_blank">@Jdfitz77</a> Well some are not great, but the over all the idea of moving UFA’s for future assets is a good plan. IMO the plan above just needs some tweaking. Do you have any thoughts on ways moving out the UFA's and making room for Bogosian, Montour, Thompson and Cozens?
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 18 at 12:31
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 18 at 11:03
Thread: Risto Trade
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 18 at 10:41
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 17 at 1:08
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 16 at 3:51
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 15 at 11:57
Thread: ari trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Not worth it for either team</div></div>
While Buffalo has very good RHD, this is a great trade for a team that could a better RW than Sobotka.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salami4McDonalds</b></div><div>It does not make sense for any of the teams. We need to trade Risto only for help in the top 6 and not for another defender.</div></div>
Yup.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swagmaster</b></div><div>No he is not . I love the player too. Was hoping we would chose him . Hated the Nylander choice. Beyond all that the trade makes no sense for either team.</div></div>
Yup, I will believe until I can proven wrong, but I think final straw the broke the camel which finally convinced Pegula to fire Murray was not drafting friend of the Pegula family Chychrun. I wonder if Murray could have made a trade with Boston for their 2 first round draft picks and Boston picks McAvoy with the 8th pick and Buffalo gets Chychrun with the 14th pick.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>so LD is not deep on sabers it will show up eventually and opposite is true for ARI as RD is a bit weak. the plan should be mitts as 2nd center and cozens should slide into the 2nd RW spot eventual. so top 6 is ok for future should focus on solidifying other positions.</div></div>
Before the season started LHD looked weak, but right now it is looking pretty good. Dahlin will become a Norris winner in a couple of year. McCabe is rock solid and Scandella is erasing many of Jokiharju's mistakes. But I do not see Betterall making an essentially lateral deal as this when the team needs a top 6 RW.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonnymc26</b></div><div>speed risto&gt;chychrun, size R&gt;C, offense R&gt;C, defense R&lt;=C, physicality R&gt;C
potential is 2nd pair for both but risto has higher ceiling, its a step down in skill for the saber to help fill weakness from a strength</div></div>
I agree with your assessment. I do not want to see Ristolainen traded for a often injured LHD.
BTW you could add sturdiness to ranking. Jakob has played 68, 50 and 53 games the last 3 years while Rasmus has played 79, 72 and 78 games. Ristolainen has played 59 more games over the past 3 seasons.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 12 at 12:44
Thread: Winnipeg
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cheddamonkey37</b></div><div>Not a chance</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AndrewLadd</b></div><div>OOF</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Lol mmk</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>masterjuddi</b></div><div>Ummm no</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swagmaster</b></div><div>Both fan bases greatly over value their players . Scandella has benefitted from the new coaching staff . And is an acceptable 4 -5 d on most teams. Nelson is a good 7th d for any team . Buffalo just has a wealth of D at this point . Nelson for a 6th or 7th would be a fair deal that could give Winnipeg some depth on D. I see Scandella being worth a 4th or 5th round pick with his better play.</div></div>

<a href="/users/F50marco" target="_blank">@F50marco</a>

Actually Marco has been the whipping boy of many Buffalo CFAG's many who value him so little that he should be bought out, or just moved off of the team with a pick. Just watch him play and he passes the eye test.
He has a good shot and last year ranked among all NHL top pairing defensemen with his 6 goals.
His first year in Buffalo, only Ristolainen played more minutes than he but his playing time has dropped not because his performance has waned but rather Buffalo's defense is greatly improved.
Now that I have that out of my system, I have seen trades of Roslovic and a 2nd for Ristolainen, so really doubt that this trade would ever happen.
He is playing much better than his D-man partner Jokiharju, and I have been a fan of him for some time but this is too much to expect. Let me add, I like Nelson, but he passed through waivers and could have been had for nothing.
Depending on the GM and the supply and demand at the TDL, Scandella will return a 3rd, 4th or 5th but not Roslovic.