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Joseph to B-Sens - Pinto signs

Created by: GMan25
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 5, 2023
Published: Oct. 6, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Left Handed
Original Team
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Position
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Max Perf. Bonus
Expiry Status
Term Remaining
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$12,500,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
For the Sens to sign Pinto with what they have internally and not spending a 1st to dump cap space, putting Joseph in Belleville makes the most sense. If Pinto wants 2x2.3, getting a 1x1.5M shouldn't be unreasonable.
Sens can keep MacEwan, Guenette or whoever with the NHL team, but keep them off the roster for cap reasons. Then on off days, they team can assign Greig, Smejkal and whoever else to Belleville (on paper) but keep them in the NHL to accrue cap space throughout the season, so they can potentially bring Joseph back into the lineup and the Sens may not have to trade any of their 1st this year even for a rental.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,500,000$80,607,380$0$1,850,000$2,892,620

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 8
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
RFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$870,000$870,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 2

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Oct. 6, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 6, 2023 at 12:11 p.m.
Yeah it is you're expecting him to take about a 35% reduction in AAV and a 50% reduction in term compared to what he believes is fair.He's looking at a guarantee of 4.6 million over the next 2 years your offering 1.5 and he's on the hook if he has a career ending injury playing on that Club uber friendly deal.
Oct. 6, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
Yeah it is you're expecting him to take about a 35% reduction in AAV and a 50% reduction in term compared to what he believes is fair.He's looking at a guarantee of 4.6 million over the next 2 years your offering 1.5 and he's on the hook if he has a career ending injury playing on that Club uber friendly deal.


If Ottawa decides it has to be a 1 year deal, it'll be for less than his 2.5 ask, that's just how contract negotiations work. Probably won't be for 1.5 though. Also he's not looking at a "guarantee" of anything, he doesn't have a contract.
Oct. 6, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 6, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
Quoting: Claesson4Norris
If Ottawa decides it has to be a 1 year deal, it'll be for less than his 2.5 ask, that's just how contract negotiations work. Probably won't be for 1.5 though.


It's like Coltons last contract with TB f**Ed them, playing hardball will bite Dorian in the A$$ too. GLWT
Oct. 6, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Pinto has one 35 point season, I can't believe he's still not signed, this seems like simple math.
Oct. 6, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
Yeah it is you're expecting him to take about a 35% reduction in AAV and a 50% reduction in term compared to what he believes is fair.He's looking at a guarantee of 4.6 million over the next 2 years your offering 1.5 and he's on the hook if he has a career ending injury playing on that Club uber friendly deal.

Yeah but it's not only about what HE thinks is fair... First he didn't have arbitration rights, secondaly, when you look at what other forwards have signed coming out of their ELCs (or even their 3rd contract), he is asking for more than he is worth... Frost, McLeod, Cates, Glass, Dellandrea, Harvey-Pinard, etc. Look at all these AAVs vs the term. That is why The Athletic valued his 2 years extension at 1.78 AAV about a month ago

It seems that is agent is pushing hard to get as most as possible when he could actually signed for cheap this season and sign his long term extension as soon as January, in 3 months

Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
It's like Coltons last contract with TB f**Ed them, playing hardball will bite Dorian in the A$$ too. GLWT

Dorion will most likely not be there though... so it'd be a clean slate with the organization for Pinto
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