The idea being that Ottawa would rather swap 4.6 million MacArthur for 3.5 million Brouwer and now are pay a player who can actually play rather than sit at home.

Really like the idea... Good thinking.

Hopefully thats a conversation to be had

Macarthur is on LTIR, 80% of his salary is covered by insurance. They only actually pay him $930,000 which doesn't count against the cap if they ever get close to the limit. And with that said, Brouwer would be a liability on the ice and take time from young guys, Boucher would love him but from me personally, no thanks.

Teams still want the money and the contracts off their books. Florida paid Crouse to Arizona to take LTIR Bolland, NYI lost Bischoff a first and a second in the expansion draft to get rid of LTIR Grabovski, Anahiem paid Theadore to get rid of LTIR Stoner, Columbus traded LTIR Nathan Horton to Toronto for Clarkson since he could play. hell ... Columbus paid a first and William Karlsson so that Vegas would take long term injured Clarkson off their hands.

Just saying, getting those contracts and money off the books is important to teams and trades like the one I've suggested do happen frequently.

Yeah it's not a horrible idea at all! But then I'm not sure that the value is there for Hoff and a 3rd.

There is this illusion that players on LTIR significantly hurt a teams cap. The only way it's changes a team cap 1. flexibility when the performance are paid. Part of those expansion deals was for teams that would lay off certain players.
If Crosby and Malkin get hurt for the Pens, the Pens don't suddenly have 18m in dead money, and are operating at 57m in effect. Folks really don't understand LTIR and how it affects the cap. And when making roster on CapFriendly, it doesn't do justice to the complications of LTIR and performance bonuses.

I was actually just suggesting Hoffman and a 5th.

why do people think Melynk is cheap. sens are at 73m of the cap. I guess Ottawa fans find it easier to play the owner, the players or coaches for years of meh performances.

Not enough for Hoffman.

Dude just because you dont think people understand ltir... Doesnt mean youre right. Melnyk and or any team probably dont want to pay too many people for not playing on their team. They are now paying phaneuf alot to play somewhere and still need cap $ to sign karlsson stone and duchene. Getting rid of hoffman and mac isnt a bad idea. Plus brouwer is not that useless. He actually plays a penalty killing roll and chips in the odd point.

Fact most LTIRs are fully insured, to it doesn't cost owners to have injured players. Why you think it cost owners so much, only you understand. Admitting there are a few cases where the only 80% of the salary is paid by the insurance. Or in Leafs Horton's case, none of his LTIR is covered by insurance, the exact reason the Clarkson deal was made, and the reason Horton is not tradable. But thanks for confirming that many are confused by LTIR, dude.

Last time i checked 20% of almost 5 mill is a lot. And its a team that still has to pay ryan.

So who is this player that has 5m salary and is 80% covered by insurance, and therefor a 1m is paid out of pocket by the team.

According to melnykout which you liked the post macarthur is 80% covered and the sens pay him almost a million. I know thats not against cap but if the sens arent careful. They are already paying almost 3 million to players not skating for their team plus they still have gaboriks awful contract as well as ryans and both goalies dont look sharp. Could be a lot of dead cap space

Teams spend a 135m a year to run a team, so a million isn't all that much. But what do you have to give up, a player or pick for a team to pick up MacArthur's contract. The danger with MacArthur if he are traded is that might get "well" and no one wants to his 4.6m contract. Your right, gaboriks and Ryan seem are awful contracts. every team has a few which may pay a player a couple of million too much, by Ryan especially is one of the worse in the league.