I really like this for Ottawa. I'd love to know what the sens would need to add to get Carter Hart... probably a pipe dream though

I gave you 4 stars for your thought process. I think Philly is overpaying for Karlson unless it was a sign and trade scenario and you had him locked in for the next 7-8 years. Possibly you are giving up quite a bit for a player with 1 year left on his contract and no assurances he's going to resign with the Flyers.

I'm not moving Hart! The Flyers have needed an bluechip goalie prospect for so long, I'm not giving him up now! His value to us symbolically probably outweighs his actual value as a player...

Sure but someone's going to do that. Plus I think I'd be done with some insurance that Karlsson would be willing to re-sign. And if he was adamant he won't sign then we could always cash in at next deadline, obviously for less return but still for a significant package. Flyers are in the position that they can afford to pay him too.

Let's stop the talk about him resigning or not. It won't/can't happen. Now if do you still want to do the deal? The Leafs are somewhat in the same situation when trades like this are made. Is Karlsson going to make the difference in the this spring and next seasonTHAT much? But I kinda like the deal for both teams. Ottawa might something a little more NHL ready than the picks. Maybe Rubstov and Frost, Sainheim and a first.

If I'm the Flyers, I wouldn't be worried about the resigning, can the Karlson get you to the Conference in the next two springs?

My direct answer to your question Palhal is "no". I'm a Pens fan. Ok. But I'm being impartial here. Flyers need more than Karlsson to at least win the division. They need one real starter goalie. In my opinion, neither Elliott or Neuvirth are good enough to let them have a chance to beat teams like Pens, Caps, Bolts or even Bruins and Leafs in a playoff matchup.

If Flyers want to be considered as a contender again, they need to find a starter first. The next step would be find a top 4 d-man. Then, I'd consider them a contender for not just win the division, but to win the cup.

Of course as a Pens fan I won't to see that happen. Sorry Flyers fans. But I know it's reciprocal.

Thanks William. That is what I'm thinking too. There are few teams that Karlsson that will really make difference in the next two springs. And especially with his play this year (yea it might be his ankle), I don't think he is worth stripping a team at all.

We do need a starting goalie but Elliott is fine for now and lets see how Mrazek plays out. He's probably got more raw talent than the others on our roster. But every Flyers fan knows our goalie situation is just a placeholder for Carter Hart. The things he's done in juniors are incredible. He'll likely not make the NHL straight out of WHL next season but he'll be given the majority of starts in the AHL then, if he plays anything like he should he'll be pushing for an NHL spot after next season. Conveniently when Elliott and Neuvirth are UFA's...

As for the defence it's a similar story. Provorov and Ghost are a good, if not great, top pair. After that it's a bit of a mess and Sanheim should be in the team right now not in the AHL (he's currently scoring points at a pace not seen in that league for a player his age since the 1980's).. But we have Myers and Morin down there developing too and while I'm not so high on Morin, Myers is a top 4 guy in the making. I'll struggle through with Provorov, Ghost, and Karlesson for a season or two with Hagg, MacDonald, or Gudas in the top 4 were that the case.

Adding Karlsson overnight won't necessarily win us the conference this season or perhaps next but buy the time next seasons playoffs come about I think the Flyers will be a pretty strong team in the playoffs and then it's just rolling the dice.

Also boo Pens!

Yeah, I know Flyers have very good prospects. But we all know that it's quite different to make success in the NHL. There're tons of examples, including in Pens. Speaking about a recent case, I can say Pouliot. Before he plays in NHL, almost everyone thought he will be a great NHL calliber offensive d-man. At least a top 4. Now, we all know that he's probably just a top 6 in a mediocre team. Ok, he's still young. But I don't think his upside is at least close than the most of us thought.

So, let's see what's gonna happen with all your prospects next seasons...

PS: Thank you for your support.