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Buffalo Major Shake-Up (includes offseason) Trades with VGK, ARI, ANA, PIT, NYI

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Team: 2017-18 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 23, 2018
Published: Feb. 23, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mittelstadt, Casey
4$894,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Bogosian, Zach
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Offseason move - 50% retained
2.
BUF
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (CGY)
ARI
  1. Pominville, Jason
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Offseason move - 50% retained
3.
BUF
  1. Larsson, Jacob
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BUF receives 3rd round pick if ANA advances to CUP and/or Kane re-signs
ANA
  1. Kane, Evander
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'18TDL - 50% retained
4.
BUF
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
Becomes 2019 2nd if PIT wins Cup
PIT
  1. Larsson, Johan
Additional Details:
'18 TDL - 50% retained
5.
BUF
  1. 2018 2nd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2018 4th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
4th becomes 2018 3rd if Lehner re-signs
6.
BUF
  1. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. Gorges, Josh
Additional Details:
'18 TDL - 50% retained
7.
BUF
  1. Barrie, Tyson
Additional Details:
Offseason move
COL
  1. Bailey, Justin
  2. McCabe, Jake
  3. 2019 1st round pick (BUF)
  4. 2019 3rd round pick (VGK)
8.
NYI
    Sabres sign Tavares in offseason to continue his uncles BUF legacy - 7 years x $10mm
    9.
    BUF
    1. 2019 4th round pick (PHI)
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    25$77,000,000$46,814,833$0$7,305,000$30,185,167
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $650,000$650,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 2
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
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    UFA - 1
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
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    UFA - 1
    $1,875,000$1,875,000
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    UFA - 6
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
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    UFA - 1
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
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    NMC
    UFA - 6
    $894,166$894,166
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    RFA - 4
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $894,000$894,000
    $718,333$718,333 (Performance Bonus$60,000$60K)
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    UFA - 1
    $925,000$925,000
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    UFA - 1
    $1,600,000$1,600,000
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    UFA - 2
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
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    UFA - 1
    $700,000$700,000
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    UFA - 1
    $625,000$625,000
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    UFA - 1
    $950,000$950,000
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    UFA - 1
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    $2,000,000$2,000,000
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    UFA - 3
    $5,400,000$5,400,000
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    UFA - 5
    $750,000$750,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    $697,500$697,500 (Performance Bonus$257,500$258K)
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    UFA - 3
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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    UFA - 1
    $650,000$650,000
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    UFA - 1
    $2,400,000$2,400,000
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    Feb. 23, 2018 at 6:30 a.m.
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    Edited Feb. 23, 2018 at 6:38 a.m.
    Sabres 2018-2019 Salary Cap

    Eichel $10mm
    Tavares $10mm
    ROR $7.5mm
    Okposo $6mm
    Reinhart $3.5mm (1 year)
    Girgensons $1.6mm
    Smith $1.1mm
    Baptiste $900K
    Fasching $900K
    Mittelstadt $900K
    Nylander $900K
    Rodrigues $650K

    Barrie $5.5mm
    Risto $5.4mm
    Scandella $4mm
    Beaulieu $2.4mm
    Antipin $1.5mm
    Nelson $1.5mm
    Guhle $700K

    Ullmark $750K
    Backup $1mm

    Buried
    Moulson $4mm

    Buyout
    Hodgson $41K

    Total Cap Hit: $71.2mm

    2018 draft (Dahlin, Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, Bovquist)

    EDIT:

    Retained salaries:
    Bogosian $2.55mm
    Pominville $2.8mm
    Larsson $700K

    Total Cap $77.2mm
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 6:57 a.m.
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    No interest in Kane. The guy is overpaid and fallen off a cliff recently in terms of his production. Buyers market. You’ll be lucky to get a late 1st or 2 x 2nds. No chance you get a quality NHL ready prospect like Larsson with top 4 upside.

    EZ pass
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 7:01 a.m.
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    Quoting: mytduxfan
    No interest in Kane. The guy is overpaid and fallen off a cliff recently in terms of his production. Buyers market. You’ll be lucky to get a late 1st or 2 x 2nds. No chance you get a quality NHL ready prospect like Larsson with top 4 upside.

    EZ pass


    Thanks for your input. I was wondering how Ducks fans might feel about this. Kane at $2.6mm isn't overpaid, tho. He also hasn't fallen off a cliff (4G in last 7GP). He's been saving himself for the trade as well. I think you'd be getting 1st half of the season Kane: 34P(15G 19A) in 37GP.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:03 a.m.
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    I cant see tavares signing in buffalo.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:11 a.m.
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    I cant see tavares signing in buffalo.


    I don't know if he would, but I could see it (small chance). My guess is he stays in NY. However, his uncle is arguably the greatest athlete in BUF history (Tavares was a ball boy for the Bandits) and his jersey is hanging in the rafters. I'm sure there's some appeal there. Tavares' jersey could be hanging up there with his uncles. Plus, he could reunite with Okposo.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:20 a.m.
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    I don't know if he would, but I could see it (small chance). My guess is he stays in NY. However, his uncle is arguably the greatest athlete in BUF history (Tavares was a ball boy for the Bandits) and his jersey is hanging in the rafters. I'm sure there's some appeal there. Tavares' jersey could be hanging up there with his uncles. Plus, he could reunite with Okposo.


    I get the dots your connecting and who knows really. Best guess is see who makes some playoff noise and who has money come offseason. Id love tavares to sign with someone unexpected. He'd make a great devil i think.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:26 a.m.
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    No way is John Tavares signing in Buffalo, It's still Jack Eichels team and Tavares wont 2nd fiddle to him. The salary cap will be closer to $80 million $77 million is way to low. And with that said Tavares will get at least $12 million fat chance he signs the same deal as Eichel with a $5 million salary increase Buffalo is the last team Tavares would sign with.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:31 a.m.
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    No way is John Tavares signing in Buffalo, It's still Jack Eichels team and Tavares wont 2nd fiddle to him. The salary cap will be closer to $80 million $77 million is way to low. And with that said Tavares will get at least $12 million fat chance he signs the same deal as Eichel with a $5 million salary increase Buffalo is the last team Tavares would sign with.


    The $77mm is the Sabres cap hit, not the NHL salary cap. We'll see where it ends up. If it's $80mm, the Sabres can afford to give him $12mm. This is more to show that the Sabres could afford him if he wanted to sign here. Who knows where he will go, but I wouldn't say BUF is the last team. Eichel wants to win, he would certainly welcome Tavares on the team. He wouldn't be 2nd fiddle. Plenty of teams have more than 1 elite player. That argument makes no sense to me.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:40 a.m.
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    The $77mm is the Sabres cap hit, not the NHL salary cap. We'll see where it ends up. If it's $80mm, the Sabres can afford to give him $12mm. This is more to show that the Sabres could afford him if he wanted to sign here. Who knows where he will go, but I wouldn't say BUF is the last team. Eichel wants to win, he would certainly welcome Tavares on the team. He wouldn't be 2nd fiddle. Plenty of teams have more than 1 elite player. That argument makes no sense to me.


    Wrong you've the $77 million under the salary cap it's not the Sabres cap hit The Sabres cap hit is about $57 million, And sorry got news for you Tavares wants to go where he can be #1C and star of that team and once again that's not happening in Buffalo. And i doubt Jason Botterill would offer John Tavares more then Jack Eichel so i doubt he'd offer him $12 million. Buffalo is in flux right now D is bad Goaltending needs to be better Buffalo needs to work on the D and Goaltending more then it's offence. Bottom line is Tavares is on record saying he wants to be on a cup team and sorry that's not Buffalo any time soon.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:45 a.m.
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    You have a better chance of Uncle signing with the Sabres than John. Those cap dump trades even with retention have little chance of happening. Those players aren't just good enough now for Sabres are for any team.
    Sabres will have to continue to hold onto those crappy contracts and players, wait them out, and hopefully acquire new talent in the new few years. At least three years before sniffing the playoffs.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 8:45 a.m.
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    Wrong you've the $77 million under the salary cap it's not the Sabres cap hit The Sabres cap hit is about $57 million, And sorry got news for you Tavares wants to go where he can be #1C and star of that team and once again that's not happening in Buffalo. And i doubt Jason Botterill would offer John Tavares more then Jack Eichel so i doubt he'd offer him $12 million. Buffalo is in flux right now D is bad Goaltending needs to be better Buffalo needs to work on the D and Goaltending more then it's offence. Bottom line is Tavares is on record saying he wants to be on a cup team and sorry that's not Buffalo any time soon.


    I guess you didn't read any of my trades or comments. That is okay. Thanks for commenting.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 10:25 a.m.
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    Not a bad deal for Philly, but I believe we're looking at a Center from Buffalo - either ROR or Reinhart. But Girgenson has been tossed around as well.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 10:32 a.m.
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    Um, you can only retain salary on 3 contracts at a time.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 10:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Jfstompers
    I get the dots your connecting and who knows really. Best guess is see who makes some playoff noise and who has money come offseason. Id love tavares to sign with someone unexpected. He'd make a great devil i think.


    Only if they move ROR, but they probably wont
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 10:38 a.m.
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    Um, you can only retain salary on 3 contracts at a time.


    Good Call. I edited to remove the retained salary on the Pouliot trade.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 10:45 a.m.
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    Thanks for your input. I was wondering how Ducks fans might feel about this. Kane at $2.6mm isn't overpaid, tho. He also hasn't fallen off a cliff (4G in last 7GP). He's been saving himself for the trade as well. I think you'd be getting 1st half of the season Kane: 34P(15G 19A) in 37GP.


    Yes, at $2.6M he's not overpaid, but, he's not on $2.6M, he's on $5.25M and he only produces 20 goals and 20 points a season, is pretty "meh" defensively, and quite often misses at least 10+ games a season due to injury. That's terrible and he's probably going to want more and will walk when we don't give it to him. I mean, his cap hit is 5.25M, but he's actually getting $6M in salary. I have no doubt he'll want at least $6M per moving forward and he's just not worth it.

    Anyway, very few teams will need retention at the TDL. The cap hit is prorated based on how many games are left in the season, so no one needs to take on his full cap hit. I mean, the Ducks currently have $15M in cap space. Even Kane's full cap hit wouldn't be a problem for us to take on (not that is even the case because we'd only be taking on Kane's cap hit that BUF hasn't already taken on throughout the season i.e. a fraction of Kane's full $5.25M cap hit). Therefore, we're not going to give you extra value to retain on him.

    Yeah, 4 goals in 7 games, but 7 pts in 26 games. Brutal! No thanks.

    I don't want Kane at all, but I think teams like PIT may be interested. They look like they might even need some retention or you to take a dump, so you may get a better offer from them. But by "better offer" I mean a 2nd + another pick, not NHL ready prospects or 1st round picks. It's a buyers market and Kane just hasn't been as good to finish the season.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 11:17 a.m.
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    Yes, at $2.6M he's not overpaid, but, he's not on $2.6M, he's on $5.25M and he only produces 20 goals and 20 points a season, is pretty "meh" defensively, and quite often misses at least 10+ games a season due to injury. That's terrible and he's probably going to want more and will walk when we don't give it to him. I mean, his cap hit is 5.25M, but he's actually getting $6M in salary. I have no doubt he'll want at least $6M per moving forward and he's just not worth it.

    Anyway, very few teams will need retention at the TDL. The cap hit is prorated based on how many games are left in the season, so no one needs to take on his full cap hit. I mean, the Ducks currently have $15M in cap space. Even Kane's full cap hit wouldn't be a problem for us to take on (not that is even the case because we'd only be taking on Kane's cap hit that BUF hasn't already taken on throughout the season i.e. a fraction of Kane's full $5.25M cap hit). Therefore, we're not going to give you extra value to retain on him.

    Yeah, 4 goals in 7 games, but 7 pts in 26 games. Brutal! No thanks.

    I don't want Kane at all, but I think teams like PIT may be interested. They look like they might even need some retention or you to take a dump, so you may get a better offer from them. But by "better offer" I mean a 2nd + another pick, not NHL ready prospects or 1st round picks. It's a buyers market and Kane just hasn't been as good to finish the season.


    I understand all of the salary cap stuff and I'm not saying ANA is going to re-sign Kane, he is probably just a rental unless you do some other maneuvering in the offseason. What are Ducks fans hoping for at the deadline? It looks to me like you could use some goal scoring and you probably won't find a player that has more goals than Kane. I think Kane is the perfect playoff player. Fast, strong, scores. He's also going to be playing for a big contract. I doubt any team is going to get 7pts in 26 games Kane. He is a .6ppg player. To scoff at 4G in 7GP is pretty funny, who on ANA is scoring at that clip? Maybe you just have something personal against Kane, but he had been linked to ANA many times.

    I know giving up Larsson for him is a lot, but ANA window might be closing with your ageing vets and you already have a top 4.

    We'll see what Kane fetches, but there are 22 potential buyers(with reportedly 8-10 interested in Kane) and 9 sellers.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 11:58 a.m.
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    I understand all of the salary cap stuff and I'm not saying ANA is going to re-sign Kane, he is probably just a rental unless you do some other maneuvering in the offseason. What are Ducks fans hoping for at the deadline? It looks to me like you could use some goal scoring and you probably won't find a player that has more goals than Kane. I think Kane is the perfect playoff player. Fast, strong, scores. He's also going to be playing for a big contract. I doubt any team is going to get 7pts in 26 games Kane. He is a .6ppg player. To scoff at 4G in 7GP is pretty funny, who on ANA is scoring at that clip? Maybe you just have something personal against Kane, but he had been linked to ANA many times.

    I know giving up Larsson for him is a lot, but ANA window might be closing with your ageing vets and you already have a top 4.

    We'll see what Kane fetches, but there are 22 potential buyers(with reportedly 8-10 interested in Kane) and 9 sellers.


    I'm hoping we move Vermette for a conditional 3rd (could become a 2nd if traded team makes CFs). Other than that, I stand pat. The team isn't even playing that well. Our biggest issue is D and we aren't addressing that at the TDL. We haven't even secured a playoff position yet!

    Yeah, I don't like Kane and don't want him. He's overrated. I mean, you're telling me he'll be great in the playoffs. How do you even know? He's never been in the playoffs. It's just a baseless assertion. You also say he scores. Yeah, like 20 goals a season. That's nothing amazing and certainly doesn't warrant us moving Larsson, a promising D-man with top 4 upside.

    Larsson is an NHL ready prospect that will probably be in the line-up next season. I'm not moving him for a rental. The fact you're even asking for him is, quite frankly, ridiculous. When was the last time you saw a rental get traded for a promising young prospect about to enter the NHL? It's literally never happened. It's always picks.

    We will see, but I'd bet my house you don't get a player of Larsson's ability. Probably just picks and weak prospects i.e. what Grabner just returned.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 12:17 p.m.
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    I'm hoping we move Vermette for a conditional 3rd (could become a 2nd if traded team makes CFs). Other than that, I stand pat. The team isn't even playing that well. Our biggest issue is D and we aren't addressing that at the TDL. We haven't even secured a playoff position yet!

    Yeah, I don't like Kane and don't want him. He's overrated. I mean, you're telling me he'll be great in the playoffs. How do you even know? He's never been in the playoffs. It's just a baseless assertion. You also say he scores. Yeah, like 20 goals a season. That's nothing amazing and certainly doesn't warrant us moving Larsson, a promising D-man with top 4 upside.

    Larsson is an NHL ready prospect that will probably be in the line-up next season. I'm not moving him for a rental. The fact you're even asking for him is, quite frankly, ridiculous. When was the last time you saw a rental get traded for a promising young prospect about to enter the NHL? It's literally never happened. It's always picks.

    We will see, but I'd bet my house you don't get a player of Larsson's ability. Probably just picks and weak prospects i.e. what Grabner just returned.


    I see. You are in seller mode and won't touch Kane at all. Is that the general consensus in Duckland? I was just trying to gauge interest here. Obviously, no one knows what Kane will do in the playoffs. No one knows what anyone will do. I didn't say he will be great in the playoffs, either. Only Rakell has more goals on ANA, I don't get why you downplay Kane's 20.

    Trades for top prospects are rare, but they literally do happen. In fact, your own Ducks did in 2015 when Karlsson was traded.
    Feb. 23, 2018 at 4:23 p.m.
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    I see. You are in seller mode and won't touch Kane at all. Is that the general consensus in Duckland? I was just trying to gauge interest here. Obviously, no one knows what Kane will do in the playoffs. No one knows what anyone will do. I didn't say he will be great in the playoffs, either. Only Rakell has more goals on ANA, I don't get why you downplay Kane's 20.

    Trades for top prospects are rare, but they literally do happen. In fact, your own Ducks did in 2015 when Karlsson was traded.


    Yes it is. BM has even come out and criticised the team’s performance and has said he doesn’t see them as a contender this year. McKenzie and other insiders have ANA listed as a seller too or just standing pat. I have heard some news about BM inquiring about players like Vanek and even Kane, but I don’t expect him to pull the trigger unless the prices come down significantly and the Ducks secure themselves a small gap ahead of the pack by Monday (unluckily).

    We’re a D first team and have had significant injuries throughout the year. It’s no surprise very few have hit 20 this year. Regardless, I’m downplaying 20 goals because it isn’t a huge achievement IMO when all you are is a scorer. We have guys like Silf and Henrique that do it all and score at a similar clip. Meanwhile, our forwards who are more just scorers, like Rakell, are raking up greater goal totals and at almost half the cap hit. Then you have guys like Kase, who is only 3 goals below what Kane is offering, and is costing us 6 times less per year. Face it, Kane’s contract is awful for what he brings and he’s not going to take less. He’ll walk to UFA and so we’d be giving up a cost-controlled-NHL ready D prospect with top 4 upside for 20ish games of Kane, maybe more IF we make the playoffs. That’s terrible asset management and a ridiculous ask from a BUF point of view.

    Yeah, you got me, a 22 year old, former late 2nd round pick coming off 24 pts in 37 AHL games = promising young prospect. Karlsson had even had 18 NHL games when he was traded and had only produced 3 pts. Karlsson was a borderline NHLer when he was traded, was bounced around the NHL and AHL even in CLB and didn’t even do that well playing for the big club. Just because he’s having a killer year in a favourable system this year doesn’t mean he was a top prospect when he was moved. Nice try though.
     
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