I don't think your values are terrible, but do think Montreal would still have to eat salary as well to make it work.

I'd like to be able to trade Weber without retaining salary in order to try to bring back Subban aha

Yeah but most of those teams can't take on the full amount for that term.

Sorry, but 100% no chance Weber’s going anywhere without salary retention.

you guys are destroying my dreams ;(

Dont blame us. It’s MB’s fault. He’s an idiot.
Anyway, for a good trade to get rid of Weber, maybe u can retain some of his salary and trade him to a team in dire need of a RHD (like Edmonton, but probably not Edmonton).

If you're going to give him away, at least give him to the Leafs.

his Contract is unmovable right now
2022 his cap drops down to 3 million then 1 million per year for the final 3 .

the catch is if you buy Weber out 2022-2026 the cap is 6 million and 8 million over the final 3 years and then 1.25m for 8 years after that not negated by the Re-capture clause .
the upside is the NHL Recapture Clause Penalty will see NSH absorb atleast half his cap total if Weber Retires instead of being bought out avoiding the 8 year 1.25m cap buyout penalty.

if he plays the full 4 years then they get full value out of him for 4 years at the rate of 6 million cash while taking on a 4-7.8m cap hit (lower end if he retires , higher end if he doesnt )

for small market teams with a low franchise value like CBJ a high cap hit wouldnt phase them as along as the payout was minimal plus they'd give Seth Jones a good 2nd RD as Weber has a style of game with his huge cannon of a shot where i just dont see him dropping out of top 4 even as he gets older .

there is value but we wont ironically see it until he's 35-36 years old .
dealing him before that is as unlikely as NSH being able to deal Subban with his huge payout in signing bonus's in his final years only really leaves about 5 maybe 6 teams who could afford to land him with VGK being the most likely behind them EDM then TML as they all have no issue spending Cash for talent .

Ikr, and some people still trying to say we didn't get robbed.....yeah riiiiiiight. Bergevin needs to get fired just because of this move.

Yeah exactly, for a budget team like the Coyotes or the hurricanes will find this contract attractive in order to reach the cap floor without spending it in actualy salary but now we just have to wait and see if Shea can still do anything good in the league once he's reached 35 :L

Why not just keep Weber if that's the best offers for him? He's still a top pairing dman. Just buy him out at the next lockout or if he retires get off scott free.

To get cap space bro, i know we already have alot of it but maybein 2 or 3 years we’ll want to use it for a better player (Subban???)
I’d rather get a second or a third than just buying him out and getting nothing.

I love Subban in Nashville, but u could’ve swiped Ellis or Ekholm or something instead of gettin Weber. I mean, come on!

I don't get how Roman Josi was not the main part of that deal? Is it just me? I think if Josi is on a Pens or Hawks team putting up the same numbers he's a Norris trophy candidate annually

All those trades are awful and terrible asset management. And for what? because you are holding a grudge over the Subban trade? I was and AM a huge fan of PK, Hell, my son's initials are PK and it wasn't by accident. But that doesn't mean to screw up future trades because you are butt hurt about the past. Smell the roses, this team is in serious trouble with very little in the pipeline and key holes on the NHL roster.... Montreal just had $8M in cap space all year, and likely don't need an extra $8M in cap space over the next 3-4 years.

Hold onto him and flip him to a poor market in 4 years as others have stated. Also, his trade value is much higher right now than what these Armchair GMs think. Unbelievable...

I don't give no damn about who's a Subban fan or not, this post has nothing to do about that
Since you couldn't figure out what most people could let me help you, this post is about Shea's value on the trade market without retaining his salary. What's the point of talking about Subban??

The community had very good answers, made sens and based on good analysis...and then there's you. Talking about random crap and making one of the most useless post i've ever seen.....how about you just don't post if it's going to be so useless??

Cap space for what exactly? All these miraculous free agents that we'll sign? Because Tavares will want to come to the Habs if Weber just got traded away? That will inspire him even more to choose MTL?

Cap space is only relevant if you have players to spend it on. Who exactly do the Habs have? All the young players are signed. Our big guns are signed. Sooo...?

Don't be swayed by these negative Nancy's on this site. Weber is still a good dman. Our best dman. Unless we can move him for something of value, there is no point in moving him.

Yeah he may suck when he is 40 years old but 32 through 37 he'll still be a good player. Just overpriced. Like I said, simply buy him out at the lockout when we'll have the compliance buyout period or let him retire. If he gets as bad as everyone is clairvoyently predicting, then he'll want to retire himself. The last years of his contract are for peanuts so there is incentive for him to do it himself. Plus the cap penalty for him retiring hits Nashville, not us. They'll have to pay us a huge ransom to get him back and put him on permanent LTIR instead of actual retirement which would devastate them.

I have zero problems with Weber and his contract. People have a weird perception about players on this site. They look at the contract and deem a player worthless. That isn't right. He may be not worth very much in TRADE but he still a GOOD player. No one wants the contract but the player anyone would take in a heartbeat.

If all we're getting for him is the above, than simply keep him. He has more value to us than what we're getting in return anyway. He'd be a good mentor for up and coming Dmen and respected around the league. Even if he's not the Weber of old, there's still value there.

Don't mistake this with me trying to make right of MB's decision to acquire him. It was a stupid trade! But since there is no take-backsies, I'm not as suicidal as some are on this site about having Weber.

Just to refresh your memory, and two other posters brought up Subban as well.... If you are going to be so fragile, I recommend not posting your opinion on the internet.

My post wasn't useless, you are just not in the same frame of mind and too sensitive to take others opinions on giving away a great asset. I get what your proposal was, and it was bad. Give Shea away so we don't need to eat cap??? There is no reason to give him away... there is no reason to eat cap... there is no reason we can't get a respectable return if Bergevin did decide to trade him. Sorry that you are panicking and want to just ditch good players for almost nothing, but not everyone is you, or will agree with you... My opinion makes sense, and I analyzed the player and situation properly... but right... keep dreaming of 2nd, 4th, 5th for a #2 elite shutdown defenseman. Your hockey mind is brilliant, did you apply to Canes GM vacancy yet?

uh oh, you are about the get the "Talking about random crap and making one of the most useless post i've ever seen.....how about you just don't post if it's going to be so useless??" reply....

But I agree with you, 100%.

Well if you noticed, these posters didn't talk about subban in order to down Weber's value or judge the post wich was about Shea's value?
Kind of wished your opinion did make sense and was making me fragile. What even is your opinion lol? Weber is a great asset with aweome value only nobody wants him? yea right haha
But hey man your opinion goes against vast majority of opinions so i guess you have such an awesome hockey mind that makes everyone's opinion else wrong so why don't you go for that Canes jobs??

Well first off let me say this, John Tavares is never ever ever ever signing in MTL so thats not what i want cap space for and i don't wish to give Weber away right now since there is nobody that can do the job he's doing atm in our roster or pipeline.

So i am just saying in 2-3 years if we do end up in a situation where we need the cap to acquire a big time player or just re-sign our own guys, what can we expect to get if we want to get rid of Weber?
I know we are not there yet...

Well if you think that type of comment with many valid explanations and analysis comes anywhere near to what your comment was about then you are all lost haha

Ok fair enough. Then as I said, MTL has plenty of options as the years pass. Buyout being one of them. There's 4 more seasons of Weber before that compliance buyout period. Weber will still be at the very least effective for another 4 years as 36 isn't old enough to be completely irrelevant.

Don't get me wrong, Im not against trading Weber. I'm against trading Weber for virtually nothing except extra cap space. If Bear + 2nd + 4th is all we can get, we're better off simply keeping Weber.....

Idk how much effective Weber can still be at this point honestly, i am really gonna take next season to construct my opinion on him
Last year he came red hot out of the gate and had an amazing beginning with the habs but then he had ups and down for the remainder of the year just like the team in general. In the playoffs he was okay but wasn't better than Mcdonagh which is part of the reason why we got knocked out.

And then this year he played basically injured since game 1 and surrounded by a bunch of bums so i don't really wana base my opinion on that.

But let's say we draft Boqvist, in three years his entry level deal is over and he lived up to the expectations and we're looking at re-signing him at like 7m+ for 8 years...do we really want two right handed d-man in Weber at 7.8 + Boqvist at 7 for the next like 5 years? That is the type of situation where Weber would need to get moved IMO but then again i agree that there are alot of "if"

Damn man, I dunno if we're watching the same player here. Weber was good in the playoffs last year. Real good. The problem was our forwards not being bale to score goals when it mattered. If you are expecting Weber to be a puck moving dman, you are going to be disappointed. He's not that player and never will be but his positioning and staunch defense was top notch in the 1st round loss to the Rangers. This year he was injured from the get go but was still on pace for 50 some odd points while playing 26+ minutes a night. If that was his worst..... then damn. If his current injury really takes a step out of him then yeah it'll suck for sure but like I said his skating game is not his forte anyway. He can still do all the things he did before with this his injured foot rehabbed.

If we draft Boqvist he'll have to play better than Weber, Petry and Juulsen to make the team. That's a tough hill to climb. Remember he is a smallish dman playing in SHL. He will have some growing pains playing against NHL talent as an 18 year old. I know you said big if's but those are really big ifs. Chances are he plays another year in Sweden at least. Comes to Montreal the year after, gets some time in the AHL and then maybe starts playing some NHL hockey.

But let's say he comes over and is huge superstar. Then we make space other ways. We deal with that big IF when and IF it happens. Otherwise we're simply jumping the gun.