I think the only deal to be made for him would be a 1 for 1 involving either Nylander or Reilly

Ok...the point is to ignore Brown/1st/Martin. Erase it from your thoughts. Now you're the Buffalo GM...salivating at having Eichel and Mittelstadt at 1/2C for the next 10 years +...you see ROR and his contract and realize you have other holes you could fill instead of paying him $7.5m for the next 5 years to be your 3C. Toronto calls and says they're interested. What do you ask for?

Ok, thanks for the reply.

The two teams are built pretty similar so see why it's not an attractive trade partner.

With out moving a pillar would you do kapanen and lilgren

Also from Buffalo Oreilly has been more of a problem in the locker room compared to everyone else he does nothing before games and only leads by what he does on the ice and he butts heads with eichel who always tries to talk to the guys

Thanks, Palhal. I thought having both JVR and ROR could be an issue too, long term...was more focused on getting an idea of the asking price of ROR.

I know I've asked you this before...but why is it that Horton has to be on the opening day cap in order to pay bonuses in the same year?

Not after your comment about ROR in the dressing room, no. haha.

Actually this package is reasonable....would sting from the Leafs point of view and both are seen as long term pieces...but not pillars...same with Buffalo, I believe...doesn't seem you guys view ROR as a pillar which is why I was a little surprised at some of the asks for Nylander/Marner/Reilly

It's really the only "punishment" there is for a player on LTIR. In order to use use that years performance (is this case 2018/19), All LTIR players have to placed on the opening day roster. If not cap compliant (the 80M) they can go on LTIR before the season. So if Horton doesn't fit under the 80m, the Leafs would HAVE to pay 2018/19 bonuses in 2019/20. With Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Borgman needing new contracts in 2019/20, the Leafs would be advised to not to have that approximately PB of 3.5m carried over till 2019/20.

Most teams will have trouble fitting ROR 7.5m into their cap without sending some money back to the Sabres. Leafs are one team that could spend inexpensive futures. If ROR is traded the Sabres have to decide, "how young" they want to be next year.

Well with out my other comment I would do it and think lilejgren makes our team next year

Nylander and Hyman

I’m from buffalo and admit that is over valued by adding Kap.

20% Exchange rate

Still to much

I mean im not doin toronto a favor

Not doing yourself any favours either with the troll.

Adding Nylander’s name = adding Ristolainen’s name

Realistically no inter division trade would see one side rinse the other.

Neither am I but Nylander= oreilly points plus some and oreilly can take draws and maybe have another 60 point year

Nylanders name does not mean risto if you bring in risto and oreilly it would be Nylander and Marner

The best deal here would be Kap, Lilejgren, maybe a pick for O’Reilly, we get a top four d man, a future top 6 winger and a pick in the draft

Risto will never get traded to the leafs in the same way nylander or marner will never be traded to the sabres. Was simply trying to prove a point.

The above offer is the closest to being realistic. Even then I’d imagine leaf fans would rather re-sign bozak then give up the assets and cap space for ROR. But good to know what the package might look like

You do realize that washed up prospect is only 22 right and was one of the best dman in the AHL this year. To behonest it might take a bit more to get him maybe a Tisimov and/or Leivo with a pick.

Ya he’s still a decent prospect but let’s not get carried away. He’s an unassuming d-man which is valuable on the back end but doesn’t get much value trade wise. 22 isn’t washed up but once the ‘prospect’ tag begins to fade so does trade value.

A top AHL goalie is headed the Kyle direction which seems to be a more than fair deal.

Not trolling, thats what ROR means to this team, thats why I said Toronto and Buffalo arent good partners. You dont value what ROR brings to the game. Not only that, when i argue Nylander is getting 8 mill, im met with "no hes not that good, hes a product of his line mates" but as soon as trading him is brought up, "no way hes a keystone to this franchise, hes to valuable to this team"

I see where you're coming from but it's severely flawed logic. Let me make this simple for you

1. Leaf fans are comparing Nylander's potential re-signing to wingers Pastnak, Ehlers, etc. who were in the $6m-$7m range. Ehlers #'s are very close to Nylanders. Don't confuse looking for comparable market value and reasoning with a lower number as not valuing the player

2. If a team were to offer sheet Nylander for $8m I believe the Leafs would match regardless of the # of years.

3. If O'Reilly was a free agent, would you sign him for $8m right now? Would you sign him for $7.5m right now? For 5 more years? I don't need you to answer that...it's rhetorical...because if you look up all the Buffalo ACGM teams right now..I stopped after 10 teams....but 9 of the 10 teams had ROR being shipped out the door. That doesn't screams that ROR is valuable to your fanbase. Then the guy gets in front of the mic and basically says playing in Buffalo takes his love of the game away.

4. Now do the same ACGM search for the leafs and you'll find 0 even hinting at moving Nylander.

....but sure, a 27yr old, 60pt ROR > 21yr old, 60pt Nylander because he's 8.6% better at faceoffs...that makes complete sense...we need to add a Kapanen to balance the scales in your books.