Ithink you are about a million short on Sam's deal (maybe 2) and you would probably need to include a first round pick in the Faulk deal.

Why? He isn't that good.

Sam or Faulk?

Both?

1. It’s a bridge deal so I think the price for Reinhart is decent. If it was a long term deal, that would be different, but $3.75 for a bridge deal is normal.

2. Probably will cost more for Faulk. I was just trying to get a feel for how Carolina fans feel. Maybe something around Nylander and #32 overall? It’s basically a first round pick.

I'm a canes fan and we have no need for Jake Mccabe or Alex Nylander. We don't need more prospects or Defenceman. Nylander is still a prospect in my mind. I have no idea who Larsson is but I'd imagine Carolina don't need him either. giving up 3 pieces that the canes don't need for a solid top 4 d-man, isn't a deal Carolina would be interested in. I could only see this work if you give up Ryan O'Reilly. Buffalo don't need him, he wants to play on a winner and he wants top line ice time. Canes can offer him all 3

What are you offering in return for ROR? Faulk isn't half enough.

Faulk isn't the D Buffalo should be targeting. They need someone who can actually defend and Faulk clearly cannot. Look for someone like Gudas, Tanev or Nurse - this type can take some defensive pressure off Ristolainen and Dahlin.

My offer would be Faulk Rask Roy and a first for ROR and Lehner and maybe some lower end picks like a fourth or fifth. What do you think?

Faulk is one of the best two-way defense man in the league. He can clearly defend. The numbers don't show it because he plays in front of what might as well be an open goal with Scott Darling and a sieve in Cam Ward. All the defenceman in Carolina are extremely talented, Faulk included.

Nylander + McCabe + 2018 2Rd should be fine

I agree. If I'm giving up Faulk, you're going to have to give me more than a 4th line center, a bust and a top 4 d man. Would have to include a better prospect and a pick if they want him, my best guess. But wishful thinking. If that gets done, I'm ecstatic as a sabre fan.

I call BS. All the Hurricanes defensemen play in front of the same goaltenders, here is Faulk's position among the six regulars in several defensive metrics:

CA/60: 5th of 6 (only rookie Fleury is worse)
FA/60: 5th of 6 (only rookie Fleury is worse)
SA/60: 5th of 6 (only rookie Fleury is worse)
GA/60: 6th of 6
SCA/60: 5th of 6 (only rookie Fleury is worse)
HDCA/60: 5th of 6 (only rookie Fleury is worse)
HDGA/60: 6th of 6

Do you see a pattern here? most of these metrics have nothing to do with the goalie, and the ones that do are balanced by the fact that all players played in front of the same goalies. Oh, and Faulk played about 42% of the time on the 3rd pairing in 2017-18, meaning weaker comp. Did I mention over 58% OZ starts?

I think that's a pretty fair ask, but I'm not a Sabres fan so I'm not sure how highly they value ROR / Lehner.

I've had a lot of sabres fans say they are happy with the value but unhappy with Faulk and rask because it doesn't improve them in the way it could.

Just look at Darling againstthe rangers he was on the ice for 4 and there was nothing he could do about any of them. Its poor goaltending. Give him a capable goaltender. He got put out on the third pair , which SHOULD mean weaker compitition but if you wanna call Ovechkin Backstrom and Oshie weaker than Kuznetzov be my guest,. He played crosby's line instead of Malkins or Kessels. these are the teams he plays. The numbers don't reflect the defender he is

I'm not saying he's Erik Karlsson or Drew Doughty defensively but he is more than capable in his own end. Lowest SAP60 in the league (team stats Ik)Lowest SCAP60 Second most points on the team for a defence man behind Noah Hanifin. He's solid at both ends of the ice

I'm sure Faulk got some top competition at times, but the coach clearly tried to shield him from it. As a comparison, Pesce had better results despite playing top competition more often AND getting about 60% D-zone starts to Faulk's ~40%. That's the kind of player Buffalo should be targeting IMO.

Faulk was originally on a pairing with Hanifin and that was calamity at one end and successful at the other. Peters moved faulk down so Hanifin could have more ice time. Not because he needs sheilding from top competition.

Pesce and Slavin are untouchable. Ik the numbers favour Pesce but the number of 2-on-1's and 3-on-1's and even once a 4-on-1 Slavin broke up was absurd

I think you're missing my point. I'm not saying Faulk is useless or bad, I'm just saying he's not what Buffalo needs IMO. They need a Pesce-type player, and not necessarily Pesce himself either. Someone like him.

Ohhhhhh I got it. You want a shutdown D-man not a two-way D-man

Yes, certainly, that's what Buffalo needs. Ristolainen is miscast in that position now and they're not happy with the results (not his fault), if they had someone to take the defensive pressure off him he could be the 2-way player that he really is.

I can't think of any that aren't Slavin Pesce TvR. Like a young Roman Josi or someone to help with the two Rasmuses

IMO, if the bridge is a decent contract, then he may be more inclined to sign a longer term deal as well. So yes, at least $5,000,000 for Reinhart. I think the Faulk deal is a little light as well.

Faulk, Rask, Roy & 2019 1st for ROR & Lehner 2019 4th
I like it. BTW Larsson is Rask with poor wingers, IMO he would be better than the 4th, but that is your call.