I like a lot of these, fair for both sides. However, with CAL, why have them retain on Frolik? NYR would do well with a pick from them instead IMO.

CGY doesn't have a lot of picks to trade. They're more inclined to retain. And I think at around 2 mil, Frolik is a nice middle 6 guy to have for 2 years during rebuild.

True, although you have both parties retaining 2m. Would that not be a null point?

edit* I realized Matts only has 1 year vs Frolik's 2 remaining. So it would not be null. NYR comes out ahead next year. I get what you were doing now.

I like a lot of this. However, I don't think they move Pionk. He really looks like he's piecing together what it takes to play in the NHL and his hockey senses are really starting to show. I think the front office is pretty stoked about him at the moment. I think they'll at least check him out at camp. I don't think he moves during the off season.

Milano has a much higher ceiling. CBJ pass.

I think you're right. Front office looks like they like him more than I do. But also I personally value forwards more than defensemen overall, and I think our system is already pretty stocked with defensemen and short on wingers.. I think this is good value for him. I'm looking at younger, top 6, cost controlled guys coming back for him (Labanc, Puljujarvi, Lehkonen, etc)

What do you think is fair value? Most Blue Jackets I've talked to put his value as a 2nd Rounder, which is what Spooners value is.

For example, Milano is the same age as Duclair who just happened to play the same amount of games and put up the same amount of points as him and has the same contractual situation. The difference is 2 fold.

1) Duclair has a 40+ point season on his resume.
2) Duclair puts up positive possession numbers and is a good defender.

Duclair just got traded for Richard Panik. That's about Milano's value at best. What do Panik's last 2 years look like: 1.78 Points/60. What do Spooner's last 2 years look like: 1.78 Points/60.

Milano isn't going to develop under Torts (he was healthy scratch for Dubinsky), let him go free and as a consolation take a 40+ point guy.

I think they’re gonna give Tambellini, Lindqvist, Meskanen, Howden, Ronning, Gettinger, and Lettieri a shot at camp as well. Because we have so many potential centers, I suspect that some that shine would be given a chance to at least go through preseason at the wing.

The success that Vegas has had I think will be influencing teams to give more of their guys longer looks. And since everyone is going younger and reaching out into Europe for potential hidden gems, I honestly think we’ll see the Rangers keep their young guys on 2-way deals at least for this upcoming season.

A few of the guys I mentioned above were major-junior/AHL/Euro studs in the last few years, so I can only hope they get a shot. I don’t think we have any defensemen that we can say the same about in our farm system at the moment, since we brought Pionk, Gilmour and DeAngelo up.

From a Rangers fan perspective, I like these trades, except the last one. I'm not a fan of trading Pionk, I think he had a good showing during the dumpster fire, so I'd like to see how he'd play in a full season. Also, why make Calgary retain if we're gonna suck for his 2 years, he can be traded at next year's deadline anyways though. That might make Calgary lower the price, and then we could keep Day and dish out another prospect instead.

1) I don't love Pionk. But that's just personal. Strongly prefer Deangelo/Gilmour unlike a lot of people. Deeper analytics show a pretty terrible hockey player. But point totals are great. Could go either way. But I think his value is highest at this very moment, and I think we need Wingers more than Defensemen.

2) Retaining to have Cap room to resign all the young guys I just signed (you'll see next year we gotta sign Buch, Labanc, Deangelo, and Milano) and I want half of those guys locked up for 5+ years.

"Giving young guys a chance" or "Exploring European players more" is frankly a lazy conclusion to draw from Vegas' success.

Vegas' success is mainly from a few things:

1) Rip off Stupid GM's into giving you studs.

2) Go After High Possession Players who just never got appropriate minutes (Miller, McNabb, Schmidt were all top Possession players last year, while Marchessault, Perron, Haula, Neal and Smith were all some of the top Possession skaters for the past few years), pair these top guys with speedy players. And give those guys top minutes while leaving your slower, bigger guys on the bottom line.

3) Have absolute stud prospects. Tuch and Theodore were top prospects.

4) Have a coach that embraces a possession/carry heavy game plan.

So what have we done here:

1) Got rid of low possession defenseman (Pionk)
2) Added High Possession Skaters (JVR/Frolik/Labanc)
3) Brought in Speedy guys to complement high possession guys (AA/Milano)
4) Move Low possession guys to the bottom pair (Staal)

It remains to be seen if Quinn is a good coach for this team. But this roster as you see it here can certainly be a playoff one.

You're right, this is definitely a playoff team. I just don't see them moving Pionk.

Milano still has first round value. He has gotten much of a chance to consistently play. Down the stretch of the regular season he was playing as one of our best players. The Jackets just aren’t willing to give up on him.

Very good but i think NYR can get more out of calgary maybe another defensive prospect as they have tons of good ones instead of frolik as nyr have tons of forwards already they dont need a vet to take up a spot for one of their rookies but getting someone like Juuso Välimäki instead of anderson straight up for zucc is fair and suits both teams needs.

Andersson > Fox > Valimaki is my valuation. If yours is different, cool. But I took what I thought was the best available one.

Oof, 2 possibilities here:

1) You didn't read the clearly constructed argument

2) You don't want to believe that Torts doesn't care for Milano and it's best to move on and take what you can get.