What? A grade A prospect for a high risk/high reward prospect in Phillips, and an average AHL Goalie. This would be like me asking for Tkachuk and Brouwer for Bear, Brossoit and Sekera.

C'mon, get real, Tkachuk is about on par with Draisatl, not even in the same universe as Puljujarvi. You are correct, Puljujarvi HAS been a disappointment and should still be perceived as a Grade A prospect, better but not dissimilar to Phillips. Rittich did great as a back-up last year, till the team fell apart at the end due to injuries, and it seems Edmonton is still looking for a back-up, and Brouwer, even with his limitations is an upgrade on Kassian. The only benefit for the Flames is Puljujarvi is a right shot and still might become something as a longer term project, and Kassian's toughness would be handy for select games but otherwise rides the pine.

I fail to see what Ottawa gets out of that trade

Whole bunch of nothing doesn't get you Hoffman sorry

GM Bots says welcome to Buffalo Dougie.... order your wings hot and saucy with extra blue.... no ranch that is only for salad.

If they are looking to rebuild, 2 2nd pair D and a middle 6 winger, all ready to go, versus 2 more years of Hoffman.

Sabres fan here

I’d say that’s pretty close
O’Reilly for Hamilton straight up seems fair to me though
Idk that we’d have to add,
but maybe that’s just the “homer” in me

I'd agree the players are close, but Hamilton plays a tougher position, is significantly younger and way cheaper. Yes, they'd have to add. Plus, if they didn't Calgary would just say "No Thanks".

Puljujarvi has fairly high upside compared to Phillips, an overager. Rittich does not have stats even similar to backup numbers. I just don’t believe the Oilers are going to The same thing the Caps did with Forsberg, with Puljujarvi. Let’s be real here, Puljujarvi has far more value than Phillips just because of his upside. My trade was a comparison on how ridiculous the trade was by the way.

That's a seriously liberal use of the term "2nd pair D" and thanks for the depth winger I guess.

Hoffman is the best player of the four but the others are not a whole lot of nothing. Perhaps to provide some potential for a home run it would be better to switch a player, say Kulak for a pick, say a 2018 4th. Since you think the players are nothing that’s got to be a big upgrade? I guess we will see shortly just exactly what Ottawa’s intentions are, along with a bunch of other teams.

That brings up an interesting question, namely what do you consider a 2nd pair defenceman, if not one who fills that position and fills it well?

Michael stone is not a fit for the second pair on a team that wants to have success. Klimchuk hasn't even broken into the NHL yet, let alone established himself as a quality second pair defender

All three players have at this time undefined upside. You may believe that Puljujarvi has way more because of his draft pedigree but that may not be the case. He and Rittich have been in the AHL and NHL and both have been inconsistent with flashes of excellent play. Phillips is like a feistier version of Gaudreau, or for your sake, Yamamoto and it remains to be seen if he can produce at higher levels.

Looking at all three I used to believe Puljujarvi was by far the best, I even was disappointed the Oilers snatched him in the draft and thought he was right up there with Laine... boy was I wrong. His two years up with the Oilers seems to have proven that he is another first round Oiler dud, like Yakupov, more than that he is on the verge of a huge breakout. But he is right shot, and he does have size, and he is young therefore I’m open to trading for him and hoping that with a change of venue he might come around. But let’s be realistic, 10-15 goals a season isn’t exactly lighting it up. You guys are in the same boat with Puljujarvi as the Flames are with Bennett. Dud versus expectations or primed for a massive turnaround? Only time will tell. The trade proposal is switching vexing “projects” and giving the Oilers one of the Flames prime prospects.

Yeah, Stone is kind of like Orpik, one of those guys you can’t have success with, except when you do.... and I guess you weren’t paying attention last season, Kulak played a full season on the Flames 3rd pair, did a great job and by the second half of the season was clearly dominating there.

You still haven’t answered my question, what DO YOU think is a second pair defencman?

Ahhh ok I thought you were talking about klimchuk. And if Stone's comparable is Brooks Orpik then wooooow, you're just making my point.

A second pair defenseman is simply a good defenseman.

Lol, Hamilton is 3 years younger than O'Reilly that's nothing. Also, O'Reilly is by far the leagues best faceoff man, penalty killer and the guy takes 2pim in a whole season!! You would give him and more to get Dougie Hamilton?? A whiny guy, who was traded from Boston because he told them he wasn't gonna resign. I wouldn't even consider 1 for 1 trade between O'Reilly and Hamilton.

Maybe my opinion on Hamilton is inflated?
Top pair RH defensemen don’t grow on trees-
They’re rarely available
And like u said, he’s young too

Adding him to Dahlin, Ristolainen & the young guys we have like Guhle really solidifies our defense into one of the better ones in the league
Unless I’m overrating Hamilton

And if this trade were to happen & Calgary would be the ones to add... even better!