As someone that listened to Geore McPhee talk a lot this year I would say Cody Glass is untouchable, even for Karlsson

McPhee talks about him like he is already the next Patrice Bergeron

You'd be better off asking for Suzuki and/or Brannstrom

Also would believe he'd push to trade Shea Theodore over Colin Miller

So i don't really see this happening

But who knows really, Maybe he just talks those 2 up so much to increase their trade value

I wouldn't put too much stock into what any GM says about a prospect. they're always in tire pump mode. I'm sure if you were to compare what McPhee has said about Glass, it would look a lot like what Dorion has said about Colin White, who has also drawn comparisons to Bergeron. I don't think it's realistic to think either will actually be the next Bergeron.

Also when it comes to Theodore over Miller, I think he'd rather keep Theodore. He's younger and has a lot more offensive upside than Miller. Miller had an amazing season, but I don't think it's realistic to expect he's going to be a 40 point Dman in the future. The reason I'd pick Miller over Theodore is that Miller is a right shot and the sens already have two gifted puck movers on the left side, and a handful of other young players to fight for a spot on the left side in the next few years. compared to the right side which is pretty barren.

I think I would be ok with that sort of deal for the Avs. Would be a little disappointed that its Hoffman and not Stone. I think Avs would be way more interested in getting Stone

IMO if Ottawa moves Karlsson, the asking price for Colorado to give back the 2019 pick becomes Stone+ or Chabot. My thinking here is Ottawa without Karlsson has a pretty good chance of again being a lottery team, and Jack Hughes is the potential prize. If I'm Joe Sakic looking at a 15-20% chance of adding a future superstar like that, I'm going to make Ottawa pay big to get that back.

the Avs would need to add a lot to the trade to get Stone. Hoffman is really really good, maybe even Great. Mark Stone is on an entirely different level.

In that case you call Joe first

I agee with the player assessment, but its more how bad do the Sens want their own pick back. Hoffman will be 29 next season, and would require a new contract when hes 30. Stone needs a new contract now and is 26. The fit for the Avs is Stone. Add in a young promising player like Kerfoot. Its a lot of youth and certainty the Avs give up for potentially the wrong fit guy in Hoffman

I dont think they give back the pick unless its the ideal long term solution piece they want, there is more value is keeping the pick and maybe getting a franchise impact player in a deep 2019 draft

thats my thinking too, especially if they move EK, that 1st rounder is worth so much. You hold onto that and take the chance its a top 5 pick (which would be a pretty good if they do move EK).

The other side of that thinking, though, is that while Jack Hughes' ceiling is much higher than Hoffman's there's only a 15-20% chance of actually getting him and then the chance he doesn't actually turn out; the latter is obviously very unlikely, but there's always a chance (ahem, Daigle). Instead with a trade like this, you get a 100% chance of having a top line winger who, with the right linemates (and not Tom Pyatt and J.G. Pageau), could likely hit 30 goals. I do agree that Stone is probably the better fit given his age and position, but he's also going to cost an arm and a leg in comparison. He's bordering on becoming a recognized star in the league who just finished the season over a point a game on a garbage team, so unless the Avs are ready to pay up or they have Adam Larsson lying around (cause apparently that's the price for star wingers) Stone is completely untouchable.

I think the deal is close for both teams. The Avs get a late first, a late third and a top line 25+ G, 50-60 P winger with pedigree who is absolutely dynamite on the PP (albeit slightly older than ideal but can help them compete right now) and the Sens get a young middle 6 player who came off a great year, however much of it was based on unsustainable percentages (his shooting percentage was through the roof), and their original pick which will likely be in the top 5 and give them a chance at another great prospect to add to their pipeline. I think the Sens add a bit more but it's pretty close.

Hughes is suppose to be better than Matthews. Thats why the pick is worth so much

Correct, only a 15-20% chance of getting Hughes, but even if you end up with a pick in the 2 through 5 range, you're still getting a very good or great player, so it isn't like missing Hughes means you get nothing. That's why the price is Stone.

Personally, if I was Sakic, I would offer sheet Stone for 5 years at $8.1M per, so the compensation would be Colorado's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in 2019, but would almost guarantee that Ottawa pick to be top 5. That additional leverage is why I wouldn't let Dorion off the hook if I was Sakic.

Except that Ottawa still likely matches that. He's projected in the $7.5 to $8M range. And the whole "Melnyk won't pay for it" thing is blown out of proportion. He paid for Ryan, and Stone has delivered here in Ottawa more than Ryan ever has. He greenlit Phaneuf, Gaborik, MacArthur, Anderson and Hoffman's contracts. Overpaying Smith and Pageau too. I can understand when it comes to Karlsson and potentially $12M, but Stone gets matched at $8.1M. Going to have to go into the next compensation bracket to even be considered. Not to mention if he's offered 8 years at $7.5M with the Sens (which is the expected contract) or 5 years at $8.1M, it's not really enticing enough to make the switch to the Avs.

And yes, sure, it's still likely a top 5 pick but you hope top 5 picks become Hoffman type players with Hoffman type numbers; Stone (a PPG player you can build your team around that is just as strong in his own end as the other, leadership qualities, completely well rounded) is what you hope your 1st OA picks become, really. Jack Hughes is the only part of that equation that makes it not worth it because he is likely to be a home run pick better than anybody who could possibly be involved in this trade. Dach, Newhook, Krebs, Kakko, York, etc... You'd be more or less just speeding up their development by exchanging them for Hoffman as they project to be the same caliber of player. None of them project to be Mark Stone's level. Why trade Mark Stone for a Mike Hoffman?