Pretty sure Risto is damn near untradeable. Him and Dahlin are the future of their defense.

I agree but one of the buffalo fans suggested I put it together for the #8 and assets. From a purely value prospective, I don't think this is too far off for both sides.

Yeah I saw that but I don't really us going after any of BUF dmen. Risto will cost way too much and I don't really see Scandella with our team.

We have to start simplifying our trades on this site. Were not gonna see a 8 player blockbuster trade or anything. That being said, I think you could start a deal based around ROR for 8 overall

Saad and Duclair arent worth gambling Risto, let alone ROR. Murphy and 2 firsts are a good start. I dont really see Risto moving though, unless its for an upgrade. Botts wants to compete next year

I think the JBot would be asked in the opposite direction of DeBrincat and the deal just wouldn't happen.

I agree there's not going to be a blockbuster but sometimes I wish as you want to shake the tree. ROR for the #8th is way too much. The #27th, a 2nd round and a prospect or established player is fine.

I just think the 27th pick doesn't have much value when you're trying to trade for an elite player. I'm sure Buffalo would rather add a prospect or pick of their own in order to get the 8th overall pick than for the 27th and other stuff.

Would be Saad and the #8th pick for Risto and #27th, Murphy, Duclair and 3rd rounder. I hear you, but Saad is only 25 years old and if you look at his stats beyond points CORSI was in the top 10. He had a down year but will bounce back. Duclair has huge upside, he will be a 40-50 point player, just needs the right system with room to play. Hawks don't have the room for him and were bouncing between him and Hino...Hino won out being a Chicago native and more aggressive but Duclair is faster, has better hands and a better shot. As a Hawks fan, I hate to let him go as he is going to blossom into a solid 2LW/3LW player.

Derek Stepan for the 7OA is a little?

Good point except I wouldn't call ROR a elite player especially at this $7.5M cap hit. He's definitely a A- player but elite being A+ he is not, and not in the same frame as Tavares or the top 15 centers in the league so for the #8, something has to come back.

That was Stepan and Raanta for the #7th and DeAngelo. Stepan is also a year or two younger and $1M less with 4 years also at that time which in theory is worth more at that time hoping he hasn't peaked. ROR is a better player but what you see is what you get, he has peaked and will start declining before his 4 remaining years are up.

I have 0 faith in Duclair, outside of that one season I havent liked anything about his game. I think Saad wouldnt fit in Botterill's build.

Raanta and Di Angelo were more sweetening of the deal, the fact that Stepan is younger than one year it's funny, You do not get ROR and Risto for such a package, it is better to exchange it for prospects in another team or leave in Buffalo.

Did a little research into trading the 8th overall pick in the past and check this out.

2012:
Jordan Staal
for
8th overall pick AND Brandon Sutter AND Brian Doumolin

2011:
Jeff Carter
for
8th overall pick AND 3rd rounder AND Jakub Voracek

Granted Voracek, Sutter, Dumolin were all prospects/depth players at this point, but ROR is very close to Carter and Staal in terms of how their careers were going at the respective times they were traded/about to be traded. Every situation is different but I'm defeinitely thinking it would have to be ROR for the 8th overall plus

Given that, I'd say keep the 8th and get Stasny for 4 or 5 years cheaper.

I love big trades, you did a nice job. I knew Sabre CF GM would hate nearly any trade involving these 2 guys. This is how I see it.
Ristolainen, R for Murphy, C., 2018 1st round pick (NSH), Duclair, A. and 2018 3rd round pick (TOR)
Buffalo loses at RHD, Duclair was on his way to a 22 goal 40 pt season before the trade to Chicago, Murphy is more than adequate and then there is a late 1st.
O'Reilly, R and 2018 4th round pick (BUF) for Saad, B., and 2018 1st round pick (CHI)
Saad did not have great season but he bounces back this is a steal for Buffalo, he is the same age as O'Reilly and there is a good 1st coming back
Drop the 4th going back to Chicago (it is not worth much anyway) and Guhle, Nelson and Pilut who may make the team this year or next year.
I think if you drop the 4th going to Chicago and add Chicago's 2018 3rd, it would be hard for Botterill to pass up. Do you think this is too much?



You are partially correct, Ristolainen will cost too much in the eyes of the CF Sabre GM's. I love big trades it is easier to fine tune the assets. and yes O'Reilly for the 8th over all gets my attention. See how I broke down the trade above. For Risto, a player (Murphy), a prospect (Duclair) and a pick (NAS), For O'Reilly, a player (Saad), a pick (8th OA) and another pick (sort of a low level prospect 3rd) IMO this is really close it appears the Hawks fan like it more than the Sabre fans, but the Sabre fans tend to over value their players. Ristolainen gets all of that playing time (nearly 1/4 of defenseman ice time) because who else do they have?