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Duchene and moving Bob to CAR: Does this get Panarin to stay?

Created by: marmon725
Team: 2018-19 Columbus Blue Jackets
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 21, 2018
Published: Jun. 21, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Panarin gets duchene, Ottowa gets cost controlled Wennberg and futures. Carolina gets the goalie stability they need to compete and can give him the money he wants on an extension, and dumb Darling who gets a fresh start and competes with Korpi and even Elvis to start.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
4$3,500,000
3$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,000,000
Trades
1.
CBJ
  1. Duchene, Matt
Additional Details:
Duchene agrees to an extension at 7x7.2M
OTT
  1. Carlsson, Gabriel
  2. Wennberg, Alexander
  3. 2018 1st round pick (CBJ)
  4. 2019 3rd round pick (CBJ)
2.
CBJ
  1. Bean, Jake
  2. Darling, Scott ($1,500,000 retained)
  3. Rask, Victor
  4. 2019 1st round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
1st is conditional on Bob resigning, becomes a 4th if not
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$80,000,000$58,409,165$0$4,032,500$21,590,835
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 7
$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LW
RFA - 3
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 4
$1,850,000$1,850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$675,000$675,000
LW
UFA - 1
$825,000$825,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,375,000$1,375,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
$1,062,500$1,062,500
RD
UFA - 3
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
$2,700,000$2,700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
$2,650,000$2,650,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3

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Jun. 21, 2018 at 12:48 p.m.
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Ottawa should take that deal in a heartbeat!
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Jun. 21, 2018 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
Ottawa should take that deal in a heartbeat!


I think its a little bit of an overpayment if anything, but not by a ton if it's a sign and trade style deal
Jun. 21, 2018 at 12:52 p.m.
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I think its a little bit of an overpayment if anything, but not by a ton if it's a sign and trade style deal


I'm just not a huge fan of Duchene. I think Wennberg could easily turn out to be better than him.
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Jun. 21, 2018 at 1:14 p.m.
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I'm just not a huge fan of Duchene. I think Wennberg could easily turn out to be better than him.


I agree with you that it would be a good deal for the Sens, but disagree that Wennberg "could easily turn out to be better than him" Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick and Olympic gold medallist. People tend to forget how good he is since he played on an atrocious Avalanche team two years ago and struggled for half this year with the Sens. I would not be surprised if he puts up a nice 25g,35a this year. Wennberg put up 13g, 46a in his best season, and is only 3 years younger than Duchene. There's absolutely no basis to think Wennberg has been, or ever will be, a better player than Duchene.

That being said, getting a first round pick, young playmaker and first round pick two years ago sounds great to me as an Ottawa fan That Duchene trade will haunt us for years if he doesn't resign, and this would definitely soften the blow. However, I do think Columbus ends up with a very good player out of this too that would also allow for PLD to play a bit more favorable minutes instead of taking on first line responsibilities as a 20 yr old. Plus, maybe all Panarin needs to be convinced is that there is a chance of winning and the team is trying to build up around him. If that's the case though, you won't want to be getting rid of Bob. Even if he has underwhelmed in the playoffs, CBJ isn't half the team they are without him.
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Jun. 21, 2018 at 1:34 p.m.
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I agree with you that it would be a good deal for the Sens, but disagree that Wennberg "could easily turn out to be better than him" Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick and Olympic gold medallist. People tend to forget how good he is since he played on an atrocious Avalanche team two years ago and struggled for half this year with the Sens. I would not be surprised if he puts up a nice 25g,35a this year. Wennberg put up 13g, 46a in his best season, and is only 3 years younger than Duchene. There's absolutely no basis to think Wennberg has been, or ever will be, a better player than Duchene.

That being said, getting a first round pick, young playmaker and first round pick two years ago sounds great to me as an Ottawa fan That Duchene trade will haunt us for years if he doesn't resign, and this would definitely soften the blow. However, I do think Columbus ends up with a very good player out of this too that would also allow for PLD to play a bit more favorable minutes instead of taking on first line responsibilities as a 20 yr old. Plus, maybe all Panarin needs to be convinced is that there is a chance of winning and the team is trying to build up around him. If that's the case though, you won't want to be getting rid of Bob. Even if he has underwhelmed in the playoffs, CBJ isn't half the team they are without him.


Maybe "easily" is a bit of an exaggeration. But a 59 point season and an extra 3 years of development time certainly makes it possible.
Jun. 21, 2018 at 1:44 p.m.
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I agree with you that it would be a good deal for the Sens, but disagree that Wennberg "could easily turn out to be better than him" Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick and Olympic gold medallist. People tend to forget how good he is since he played on an atrocious Avalanche team two years ago and struggled for half this year with the Sens. I would not be surprised if he puts up a nice 25g,35a this year. Wennberg put up 13g, 46a in his best season, and is only 3 years younger than Duchene. There's absolutely no basis to think Wennberg has been, or ever will be, a better player than Duchene.

That being said, getting a first round pick, young playmaker and first round pick two years ago sounds great to me as an Ottawa fan That Duchene trade will haunt us for years if he doesn't resign, and this would definitely soften the blow. However, I do think Columbus ends up with a very good player out of this too that would also allow for PLD to play a bit more favorable minutes instead of taking on first line responsibilities as a 20 yr old. Plus, maybe all Panarin needs to be convinced is that there is a chance of winning and the team is trying to build up around him. If that's the case though, you won't want to be getting rid of Bob. Even if he has underwhelmed in the playoffs, CBJ isn't half the team they are without him.


I get the risk but if salary issues mean they cant afford werenski/panarin/Bob I think you have to move Bob for a haul. I really do like Korpi and Elvis is in the pipline for Columbus, and it any of those two and Darling can make it work you gotta do it.
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Jun. 21, 2018 at 1:56 p.m.
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OTT should not be paid anymore value then what they own and that is 1 year of Duchene without a RFA clause. If Columbus and Duchene talk on the side about agreeing to an extension, that's great but Columbus doesn't need to pay OTT extra for that since OTT doesn't have RFA rights which is why I think this is a bit of an overpayment.
Jun. 21, 2018 at 2:02 p.m.
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OTT should not be paid anymore value then what they own and that is 1 year of Duchene without a RFA clause. If Columbus and Duchene talk on the side about agreeing to an extension, that's great but Columbus doesn't need to pay OTT extra for that since OTT doesn't have RFA rights which is why I think this is a bit of an overpayment.


I understand your perspective on this but that's not really how it works in reality. Teams like Ottawa wouldn't be willing to take a hit on Duchene's value for nothing, and Columbus would be willing to pay Ottawa what Duchene is really worth with the expectation of an extension
Jun. 21, 2018 at 2:06 p.m.
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I understand your perspective on this but that's not really how it works in reality. Teams like Ottawa wouldn't be willing to take a hit on Duchene's value for nothing, and Columbus would be willing to pay Ottawa what Duchene is really worth with the expectation of an extension


There is gray area to this no doubt, but good GM's don't pay other teams who don't own RFA on players like they do. They also pay a little more then just a 1 year rental...my point is it's somewhere in the middle but this proposed trade is as if OTT owns the RFA rights on Duchene so it's overpayment.
Jun. 21, 2018 at 2:09 p.m.
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I get the risk but if salary issues mean they cant afford werenski/panarin/Bob I think you have to move Bob for a haul. I really do like Korpi and Elvis is in the pipline for Columbus, and it any of those two and Darling can make it work you gotta do it.


Yeah it's a tough decision. Personally, I'm not solf on Korpisalo right now, just too small of a sample size to think he's going to be a lights out starter, which is what Bob is. On the other hand, you're right that there will be cap issues. Bob's pay raise will likely be in the ballpark of 9-10mil. Lots of tough decisions to make for Columbus for sure.
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Jun. 21, 2018 at 5:38 p.m.
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No way carolia accepts that trade. If bob doesn't resign they get Milano for a huge multiple year cap dump. No way I take that deal.
 
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