That is the stat line yes, but he was I think hovering close to even until Rielly got hurt and missed a few games with a sprained ankle. When Rielly came back he really struggled and him and Zaitsev had a stretch were they were minus 13 over a 7 game period or something ridiculous like that. Then he moved to the 2nd pairing with Gardiner and played better again.

Last year he started off with a ridiculous plus minus before he got hurt and then fell off. Plus minus doesn't mean a bunch. Hell Gardiner was a plus player last year, does that mean he's awesome defensively?

no, but I think it speaks a bit to reliability.

Alright, this conversation is going no where. Essentially this is your stance, "I don't care what you have to say, the Leafs suck, all of them, the bruins are better and nothing you say is going to change my mind."

I prefer discussing hockey with people that want to talk hockey not gush over their favourite players.

Not to mention Gardiner and Hainsey are out next year

woowwwww inferiority complex much? You should probably take a gander on up earlier in the conversation. I was pretty complimentary of the leafs. I said I hope they get better, as it's good for the rivalries. I also said that I think they're blue line is bad. They're scoring power will largely make up for it, but if your stance is that they're good, then i have to just assume you're a just a little guy who hasn't figured out how to see your team for what it is instead of lie to yourself.
2 truths and a lie
The leafs are a real good team....

their blue line sucks

Ziatsev is reliable.

Whatever dude, you just sound petty.

i sound petty? seriously? read your last post before this one.

but that's what the leafs want. just like jvr and bozak left, so will those two.