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Things Leafs Fans say are Unfair

Created by: Badgm91
Team: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 8, 2018
Published: Nov. 8, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Hamonic is the only questionable one imo
Trades
1.
TOR
    William Nylander
    ANA
      Josh Manson
      ANA 3rd Round 2020
      2.
      TOR
        William Nylander
        CAR
          Brett Pesce
          CAR 3rd Round 2019
          3.
          TOR
            William Nylander
            EDM
              Darnell Nurse
              EDM 3rd Round 2019
              EDM 5th Round 2020
              4.
              TOR
                William Nylander
                MIN
                  Jared Spurgeon
                  MIN 3rd Round 2019
                  5.
                  TOR
                    William Nylander
                    NSH
                      Ryan Ellis
                      2019 4th
                      6.
                      TOR
                        William Nylander
                        LAK
                          Jake Muzzin (Signs Extension)
                          LAK 4th Round 2019
                          7.
                          TOR
                            William Nylander
                            CGY
                              Travis Hamonic
                              CGY 5th Round 2019
                              CGY 2nd Round 2020
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                              2018
                              2019
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                              2020
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                              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                              24$79,500,000$67,283,333$2,550,000$5,400,000$12,216,667
                              Left WingCentreRight Wing
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                              $6,250,000$6,250,000
                              LW, C
                              NMC
                              UFA - 2
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                              $11,000,000$11,000,000
                              C, LW
                              NMC
                              UFA - 7
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $5,300,000$5,300,000
                              RW
                              M-NTC, NMC
                              UFA - 2
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $2,250,000$2,250,000
                              RW, LW
                              UFA - 3
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $4,500,000$4,500,000
                              C
                              M-NTC
                              UFA - 4
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $2,100,000$2,100,000
                              RW, LW
                              UFA - 2
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $925,000$925,000
                              RW, LW
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
                              C
                              UFA - 1
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                              $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                              RW
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $787,500$787,500
                              LW, RW
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                              LW, C
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $863,333$863,333
                              RW
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $675,000$675,000
                              C
                              UFA - 2
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $650,000$650,000
                              LW, RW
                              UFA - 1
                              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $5,000,000$5,000,000
                              LD
                              UFA - 4
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $4,500,000$4,500,000
                              RD
                              UFA - 6
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $5,000,000$5,000,000
                              G
                              M-NTC
                              UFA - 3
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $4,050,000$4,050,000
                              LD
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $3,000,000$3,000,000
                              RD
                              M-NTC
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $675,000$675,000
                              G
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                              RD
                              UFA - 1
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $675,000$675,000
                              RD
                              UFA - 2
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $863,333$863,333
                              LD/RD
                              UFA - 2
                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                              $800,000$800,000
                              LD
                              UFA - 1

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                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 1:42 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Capitalfail67
                              That is the only point. Why isn’t he playing right now for the leafs? Bc he wants too much money. Why would any other team agree his value is that? And Pesce again in a great defensive defensemen on a great contract. His play and contract basically everything about him has positive value.


                              Sure, I won't argue that Pesce's value and contract are positive. They totally are, I'd say he's paid a bit less than he should be but not much. Still though, I think we can agree that Nylander is worth at least 6 million a season and that isn't assuming he progresses from what he's done so far.

                              So then at the very least people are saying this.

                              Pesce is worth more than Nylander, but only in this trade scenario because it benefits the team I like better. Because despite saying Pesce is worth more than Nylander, no one every would pay Pesce the same salary that Nylander will earn.
                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 1:45 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Capitalfail67
                              Also if he’s so talented why don’t you just pay him the 7.5-8 million he’s asking for. Or why is he even being traded ever? Generational players are rarely traded this often right. Tell me why he would be traded or not signed if he’s so good. Just asking?


                              He's not a generational player, he's extremely talented and I think he can develop into an elite player but he's not generational. I have posted many times on here that I would pay him 7.5 million. I have no problems with that, but I'm not sure he'll get that much.
                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 1:48 p.m.
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                              Term is important in a trade and you seem to have ignored this fact in most of these trades. Spurgeon is a UFA two years. Muzzin that's terrible trade and an extension can't even be talked about so soon. Brutal Hamonic trade. Leafs don't need help at LHD, so the Nurse trade isn't a fit really. Plus you conveniently ignore the upcoming contract of Nylander, which is why is unsigned by the Leafs, and other teams may not want his contract request either.
                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 1:50 p.m.
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                              Quoting: LoganOllivier
                              He's not a generational player, he's extremely talented and I think he can develop into an elite player but he's not generational. I have posted many times on here that I would pay him 7.5 million. I have no problems with that, but I'm not sure he'll get that much.


                              pesce value is higher than nylanders in the sense that he is playing right now on a great contract and he is very skilled......nylandder at 6,5 x 8 year is more valuable ......and when I say playing I mean that in the literal sense like he is physically playing right now....and hes already signed

                              just pay him in that case....
                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 2:15 p.m.
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                              Quoting: LoganOllivier
                              So this is what I've learned from these discussions today.

                              The consensus is Nylander is worth somewhere around 7 million on a long term deal.

                              Pesce is worth around 4 million.

                              Those numbers are not equal, according to their respective salaries, Nylander is almost twice as valuable as Pesce. A 3rd rounder is a 25% chance at maybe having a player who plays at least 100 games. That means there is a 75% nothing comes of it. So that value is essentially nothing.

                              So this is Cap friendly and fan logic,

                              Salary value is completely different than trade value. Player A is worth 7 million when you sign him but if you trade him he's worth 4 million.

                              That makes absolutely zero sense.


                              That’s kinda how it is, yes. Dmen are not payed as much as forwards. There’s only 12 dmen payed 7+ million and that includes Weber and Phaneuf. Other than Ekblad, Trouba, Theodore and Dumba there are no dmen around the age of Nylander that have contracts of more than $5 million. Based off of this, a $4million Defensive Defenseman and a 3rd round pick wouldn’t be that bad of return for a winger who is asking for more than his team is ready to pay him
                              Nov. 8, 2018 at 8:47 p.m.
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                              idk if the Canucks would trade Tanev as a Canucks fan i think he should have been traded long time ago. Benning still wants to hold on to him, and the team may already have many good young forwards in place. don't think that he goes to Vancouver. Carolina seems to be a good option to me.
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