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Team: 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 22, 2018
Published: Dec. 23, 2018
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Panarin, Artemi
7$9,000,000
Edler, Alex
4$5,000,000
Stone, Mark
6$9,000,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Dahlén, Jonathan
  2. 2020 1st round pick (VAN)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (VAN)
2.
MTL
  1. Bean, Jake
  2. 2020 1st round pick (CAR)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (CAR)
3.
MTL
  1. McLeod, Michael
  2. 2019 3rd round pick (ANA)
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (NJD)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (NJD)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$76,687,141$0$4,107,500$6,312,859
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Panarin, Artemi
$9,000,000$9,000,000
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Stone, Mark
$9,000,000$9,000,000
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$839,166$839,166
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$894,167$894,167
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,850,000$1,850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$650,000$650,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,300,000$1,300,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Edler, Alex
$5,000,000$5,000,000
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$748,333$748,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$725,000$725,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3

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Dec. 23, 2018 at 3:42 a.m.
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What in tarnation
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That NJ trade tears of joy
Dec. 23, 2018 at 6:15 a.m.
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That NJ trade tears of joy


Lol
Dec. 23, 2018 at 9:32 a.m.
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Not only is the Vancouver trade on-sided for the Habs, it doesn't make any sense. Vancouver is rebuilding and is hosting the draft. ça n'a aucun sens
Dec. 23, 2018 at 10:22 a.m.
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Not only is the Vancouver trade on-sided for the Habs, it doesn't make any sense. Vancouver is rebuilding and is hosting the draft. ça n'a aucun sens


How is it one sided when you're the ones improving immidiately?
Dec. 23, 2018 at 10:39 a.m.
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How is it one sided when you're the ones improving immidiately?


The team is rebuilding so improving immediately doesn't help. Based on your line of thought, it would not be one sided for the Canucks to trade Edler, Tanev and Sutter for Kotkaniemi and Mete. Of course, that's not a trade the Canadiens would do.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: The_Architect
How is it one sided when you're the ones improving immidiately?


So, the Canucks trade Drouin for that package and the Habs sign Elder for as UFA. Wouldn't the Canucks be 10 times better off, signing Elder themselves, and keeping Dahlen and their top two picks?
This trading of big money for picks and futures from non playoff teams just so free cap space doesn't happen.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 11:02 a.m.
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So, the Canucks trade Drouin for that package and the Habs sign Elder for as UFA. Wouldn't the Canucks be 10 times better off, signing Elder themselves, and keeping Dahlen and their top two picks?
This trading of big money for picks and futures from non playoff teams just so free cap space doesn't happen.


Quoting: sedin33
The team is rebuilding so improving immediately doesn't help. Based on your line of thought, it would not be one sided for the Canucks to trade Edler, Tanev and Sutter for Kotkaniemi and Mete. Of course, that's not a trade the Canadiens would do.


Quoting: sedin33
The team is rebuilding so improving immediately doesn't help. Based on your line of thought, it would not be one sided for the Canucks to trade Edler, Tanev and Sutter for Kotkaniemi and Mete. Of course, that's not a trade the Canadiens would do.


Dude look closer...it's next year's picks. You get to keep your 2019 picks.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 11:07 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
So, the Canucks trade Drouin for that package and the Habs sign Elder for as UFA. Wouldn't the Canucks be 10 times better off, signing Elder themselves, and keeping Dahlen and their top two picks?
This trading of big money for picks and futures from non playoff teams just so free cap space doesn't happen.


If they offer Edler a better deal he's more than welcome to accept. You make it sound like Drouin is 27 yrs old. With Quintin Hughes and Juolevi in the pipeline perhaps it wouldn't sting so bad to let Edler walk.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 1:07 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
So, the Canucks trade Drouin for that package and the Habs sign Elder for as UFA. Wouldn't the Canucks be 10 times better off, signing Elder themselves, and keeping Dahlen and their top two picks?
This trading of big money for picks and futures from non playoff teams just so free cap space doesn't happen.


For the last decade CHI has been trading players that were due big raises to free cap space, to none playoff teams who ended up signing those players to "big money" themselves.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 1:25 p.m.
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OK, you're not alone looking for Alexis Lafrenière.
Team don't made series don't trade you their first round pick for 2020.
Maybe next time you make sense.

À vouloir trop en faire, ça en devient absurde.
Aller, essaie encore.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 1:54 p.m.
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OK, you're not alone looking for Alexis Lafrenière.
Team don't made series don't trade you their first round pick for 2020.
Maybe next time you make sense.

À vouloir trop en faire, ça en devient absurde.
Aller, essaie encore.


What are the chances of any team landing the #1 pick? Slim. I'm not trading Lehkonen, it's Drouin. He's an actual NHL player, he's an actual pro player with high ceiling. Don't talk as if Dahlen is a sure superstar. If hypothetically VAN wins the draft lottery this year and pick Hughes, doesn't your instinct tell you that they have really good chances to make the playoffs in 2020? Which naturaly eliminate their chnaces if drafting Lafrenier. Also isn't it evident that building through the draft, it doesn't guarantee anything when you look at the Oilers.

Sprong was a PPG in the AHL and he couldn't get passed the 4th line with the Pens.

If every team never traded their picks and everyone just build through the draft then no team would ever have an edge on being better than anyone.

If a team was able to afford Duchene, Panarin, Stone, Skinner, Domi and Eberle as their top 6. Would automatically right now at this moment be the favorite to win the cup for the next 5 yrs.

Again...im offering VAN a young star player for a returning package that doesn't guarantee NHL success. So the only thing I'm winning from this trade right now is that I'm 5.5 mill richer. Dahlen and the picks doesn't guarantee nothing right now and perhaps never will.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 2:02 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Architect
Dude look closer...it's next year's picks. You get to keep your 2019 picks.


My bad on that. Still an over pay for Drouin.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 2:27 p.m.
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My bad on that. Still an over pay for Drouin.


I kinda understand your concern. But when I see trades like what VGK gave up for Tatar 27 yrs old. And MINNY for Hanzal 2 yrs ago. I cannot go as far as saying that my demands are exaggerated or unimaginable.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 3:57 p.m.
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Well, why trade 3 of the 5 better player for the Habs this season for draft pick if is not a guarantee.
We don't want rebuilt every three years.
Just keep them. Add Mark Stone as well if you could, and find a first pair lefty defenseman.
After all, if Drouin, Gallager ant Tatar worth as a first pick for each,we could built around them.
The only other real problem for Montreal is the Alzner contract.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 4:08 p.m.
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I kinda understand your concern. But when I see trades like what VGK gave up for Tatar 27 yrs old. And MINNY for Hanzal 2 yrs ago. I cannot go as far as saying that my demands are exaggerated or unimaginable.


I think those other trades are for teams that were further along in their development. I’m not sure Vancouver is a good trading partner for Druin.

I understand your point re return for lesser players.
Dec. 23, 2018 at 8:23 p.m.
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Well, why trade 3 of the 5 better player for the Habs this season for draft pick if is not a guarantee.
We don't want rebuilt every three years.
Just keep them. Add Mark Stone as well if you could, and find a first pair lefty defenseman.
After all, if Drouin, Gallager ant Tatar worth as a first pick for each,we could built around them.
The only other real problem for Montreal is the Alzner contract.


There's a big difference for a trading partner to give up a 2019 1st and a 2020 or 2021. If you look closely, since I'm giving NJ the older guys I'm not asking for immidiate top returns. McLeod is struggling mightily in the AHL, and is playing way bellow expectations. He's not labeled a bust yet, but he could be. He is a big questionmark so I need insurance, that's where the picks come in. I'm not gonna give up 2 guys that could bring at least an extra 40 goals for the next 2-3 yrs, to a team that was coming in the season with big expectations. NJ is supposed to be trending upwards, so it's very likely the 2021 1st is a mid-late pick, which means the success rate of being a full time NHLer diminishes. On top of that it will take 2-3 yrs for that player to show if he's a true pro or not, and even if he pans out as a pro, doesn't mean he's a top 6 forward or top 4 D. So since I have to wait 6 yrs to see if that 2021 1st rounder even pans out, then I want the 2020 2nd and 3rd rnd picks.

With all do respect to those players you named, they're not the type you build around, they're complimentary pieces. Drouin has alot of potential, but it's like saying to built around Nick Ehlers, you don't built around him, he just compliments Scheifle so well.

To VAN I'm giving the youngest in Drouin, cause they need someone near the same age as the young core. And he's got the longest term.

CAR is getting Gallagher cause they desperatly need an impact player on RW and that's not me making that up. He's cap friendly and that counts for something. Dunden has expressed that the 2019 1st is untouchable. That's fine, I can live with what I'm asking.
 
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