Maybe a 2rd pick as well & Vancouver accept. I’ll give you 4 stars

this would be fair imo

Horvat is a core piece to our future. I would definitely not trade him for that return. Hamilton sucks this season, Rask has regressed and Kuokannen is an unproven player.

Kuokkanen is no more unproven then Horvat was. Kuokkanen is an essential piece of our future so in that essence it’s about fair. Plus Horvat won’t ever play 1st line centre in Vancouver. Hamilton is still Hamilton, he’d easily be the best d man Vancouver has and he’s a demigod in the offensive zone. Rask could (and has been prior) a 40 point guy and a great 2/3C. This in no way hurts Vancouver. Your a little upset about losing Horvat. No reason to 1 star a trade for it

Horvat will be Vancouver’s next captain so in no way will they trade him. However as for your trade proposal I think Kuokkanen is a nice prospect but if they were to entertain a deal Canucks would probably ask for Necas. Counter would be something along the lines of Horvat and Beagle for Hamilton, Rask retained and Necas. I don’t think Carolina would do that but might make it more enticing for Vancouver

Horvat play more minutes than Petersson. Kuokkanen hasn't even played a full season in the NHL yet and this trade would just be gambling on him. Hamilton is not the Hamilton of before. He has regressed and has a attitude problems. Calling him a demigod is a huge strench as his point total this season looks like a 5-6th pairing dman on our team. Sam Gagner is also a prior 40 point guy, what's your point? This in no way hurts Vancouver? Horvat is our shutdown center who plays against the top lines on the other team and puts in work in the faceoff circle. Also he hasn't even hit his prime yet and is improving every season. It is painfully evident that you have never seen Horvat play a game or it might be a lack of hockey knowledge.

Bud take your head out of vancouver a second because it's causing you to think with bias. Hamilton has xGF through the roof and 3 points in his last 2 games. He's not regressed he's unsettled. He didn't expect to be traded and he doesn't have the forward help he did in Calgary. He's picking it up and at the age of 25... he's not regressing, he may have a down year, fair but he is not regressing. Vancouver have Pettersen as a 1C, and ideally for a shutdown guy, Bo would be a 3C and Horvat is too good for that. Kuokkanen is developing at a rate of stupidity and is tearing apart the AHL. He's a big reason Charlotte are way out ahead on top of the league. He's been given calls up and down but he's not been given a chance for the same reason Demko wasn't given a chance until the team started to wni. You don't want to damage a prospects confidence.

You really need to take a good look at Hamilton. Do you know the actual reason this guy is already on his third team? Do you know why he is being shopped already? The guy is complete garbage defensively and the only reason he was so good offensively is because he gives no sh*ts about the defensive side. He doesn't have Chara and Gio to hold his hand anymore. Once Calgary ditched the dead weight, Gio turned into a Norris caliber dman. Hamilton isn't a team guy. Teams that actually want to succeed and have a good culture don't need a guy like Hamilton. Also Horvat defends a lot better than Pettersson and is a lot better in the faceoff circle than Pettersson. Horvat would be over a point a game if he had actual developed forwards playing on his wing. The man is turning into a complete player and is a workhorse and our future captain. Horvat is the kind of player that teams desire in order to contend for a cup. Also him playing 3C are you kidding me right now? He is a complete player and could be capable of playing 1C in the future. We would have 2 1Cs like Washington and Pittsburgh(Stanley Cup Champions btw).

He’s not a Malkin or Crosby he’s not a Backstrom or Kuznetzkov. Lets get that clear right now. A shutdowns c is a 3C so you’d want him as a 3C when you say you want him as a shut down guy and he’s too good for that. Hamilton is on his 3rd team because Chiarelli is incompetent and the flames needed a change. He’s a quiet guy, not a locker room cancer. He’s apparently loved in the locker room, as per Micheal Smith who works within the organisation. Hamilton gives up what he can. Hamilton and Gio are the same kinda D man. Both wanna bomb forward both aren’t too great in their own zone. Hamilton has started to settle into Carolina, with 3 goals in 3 games. He’s starting to pick it up and he’s willing to play for the team. Teams that want to succeed need blue line scoring and that is Hamilton. Horvat would be better if contending for the cup on one of the most stacked blue lines in the league, one of the best prospect pools in the league and an answer in goal. Trust me, if he wants to contend for the cup, there’s a hundred worse places to be then Carolina. Vancouver are still a year or 2 from being a playoff contender. They’re .500 right now. Carolina have won 4 in a row and are closing the gap to the wild cards. If he wants to see playoffs soon, there’s better options then Vancouver so it’s not a case of that either

Horvat is improving every year. He reminds me a lot of Mark Schiefle and Patrice Bergeron. You saying a shutdown C is a 3C is entirely incorrect. Are you really that delusional to think guys like Bergeron and Kopitar are 3Cs? Yes the Flames needed a change so they dumped a deadweight like Hamilton. Suddenly their defense improved after subtracting Hamilton. It was hilarious when Dougie said "the teams Defense wasn't as good as everyone thought it was" after he got traded. Forgetting to mention he was a huge part of why it sucked. Don't compare Gio to Hamilton, Gio can actually play defense and he had to cover Hamilton's rear end almost every game. You saying that the Canucks need blue line scoring to succeed is true but we will get that from Quinn Hughes and Jett Woo. Just because Horvat would be better off in Carolina doesn't make this trade good for the Canucks. Carolina seems to have scoring problems yet they ditched a guy like Elias Lindholm. You don't trade 23 year old players that aren't finished developing. Only bumbling buffoons do that and that's exactly what Carolina's GM did and that's exactly what you are wanting the Canucks to do. Unfortunately for you JB isn't that stupid. Congrats to Carolina for closing the gap in the wildcard race. Their reward if they make the playoffs will be a first round exit.

Bud calm down first of all. Hamilton is elite in the O zone and above average in his own zone, he was statistically the best D man Calgary had, and it got better with Hanifin and the rookies, thats not a surprise, Lindholm is a Guadreau product his stats are so artificially boosted they're wondering if they dye his stats blue and put it in a wrapper would it pass as an airhead.
Bergeron is a 2 way C not a shutdown C, Kopitar is a 2 way C not a shut down C, a shut down C is a Nazem Kadri, a Jordan Staal, it's a defender playing forward. It's a DFF, and Horvat is not that, he's WAY too good to be that, if you plan to use him in that role it isn't going to work.
You said Horvat's best chance to succeed was in vancouver, as you've acknowledged thats wrong.
Carolina's sudden surge is not unpredictable ot unforseable. The talent is their, and it's underperforming,
As for Vancouver needing blue line scoring, Pettersen's prime is in 2 or 3 years, and Hughes won't be ready, you'll be pushing it if Woo is, Hamilton is EXPLOSIVE in the O zone and gives you that edge that very few league wide D men can. How many D men can average around 20 goals a season
Ditching Lindholm? No he wanted more then Dundon wanted to pay because Dundon wants to fix Aho's contract 1st, that's not ditching someone, that's getting value for an RFA. After the Roussel deal and some of the others, Vancouver may find themselves in a very similar predicament. If only you had signed Loui Erikssen because you have no other wholes... or trade Luongo to make way for Schnieder.... or trade Schnider because why contend? And our GM is a bumbling buffoon,,,
As for the canes 1st round exit fine, but hey, talk to me when you have a cup like us <3