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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 6, 2019
Published: Feb. 6, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,900,000
2$2,300,000
7$10,300,000
2$850,000
2$980,000
2$880,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$700,000
1$800,000
2$800,000
1$1,800,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (VGK)
2.
TOR
  1. Whitecloud, Zach
  2. 2020 5th round pick (VGK)
3.
NJD
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
4.
TOR
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (FLA)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$79,500,000$78,274,699$0$400,000$1,225,301

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$11,634,000$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
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$10,300,000$10,300,000
RW
UFA - 6
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 5
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$800,000$800,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
C
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$1,416,667$1,416,667
RD
UFA - 2
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$880,000$880,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$1,800,000$1,800,000
LD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$980,000$980,000
RD
UFA
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$5,300,000$5,300,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
C
UFA - 1

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Feb. 6, 2019 at 5:54 p.m.
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Id probably keep Ozhiganov over giving Kronwall a deal that pricey, hes slow and doesnt fit great with how the Leafs play. I also think they'd be better to try to bundle Horton with a pick or two and get rid of his contract entirely and keep Marleau, good trades though!
Feb. 6, 2019 at 5:58 p.m.
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Id probably keep Ozhiganov over giving Kronwall a deal that pricey, hes slow and doesnt fit great with how the Leafs play. I also think they'd be better to try to bundle Horton with a pick or two and get rid of his contract entirely and keep Marleau, good trades though!


Horton's contract doesn't affect the Leafs at all next year. What is the fascination trading LTIRs....especially Horton's.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:03 p.m.
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A couple issues
1- Fix the salary cap, it should be 83 million next season
2- You could probably get more for Brown
3- I get that this is what you would want, and would really help the team but Marleau will not get dealt. He is a main stay in the locker room for Marner and Matthews plus the rest of the young players.
4- You would have to pay to get Zaitsev off the team
5- just an observation DAMN THAT D CORE IS BAAAAD

The salaries/term of the players are good
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
A couple issues
1- Fix the salary cap, it should be 83 million next season
2- You could probably get more for Brown
3- I get that this is what you would want, and would really help the team but Marleau will not get dealt. He is a main stay in the locker room for Marner and Matthews plus the rest of the young players.
4- You would have to pay to get Zaitsev off the team
5- just an observation DAMN THAT D CORE IS BAAAAD

The salaries/term of the players are good


I dont agree, Mitch Marner contract is pretty conservative.

IMO Marner

@ 5 Years 10.5
@ 6 Years 11.25
@ 7 Years 11.8-12
@ 8 Years 12.5-13
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Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:13 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Horton's contract doesn't affect the Leafs at all next year. What is the fascination trading LTIRs....especially Horton's.


You're right, my bad
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:14 p.m.
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Quoting: DocArin0
I dont agree, Mitch Marner contract is pretty conservative.

IMO Marner

@ 5 Years 10.5
@ 6 Years 11.25
@ 7 Years 11.8-12
@ 8 Years 12.5-13


If Dubas paid him more than Mcdavid he should be fired on the spot. Marner is a star winger, not a superstar center.

IMO:
@ 5 years 8.5-9.5
@ 6 years 9,5-10
@ 7 years 10-10.5 give or take 200k
@ 8 years 10.5-11 give or take 200k
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Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
If Dubas paid him more than Mcdavid he should be fired on the spot. Marner is a star winger, not a superstar center.

IMO:
@ 5 years 8.5-9.5
@ 6 years 9,5-10
@ 7 years 10-10.5 give or take 200k
@ 8 years 10.5-11 give or take 200k


RWers Kucherov is making 9.5m next year and Pastrnak started his 6.7m this year. Shouldn't these be the true comparables not the overpaid salaries the Leafs awarded Nylander and Matthews.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
If Dubas paid him more than Mcdavid he should be fired on the spot. Marner is a star winger, not a superstar center.

IMO:
@ 5 years 8.5-9.5
@ 6 years 9,5-10
@ 7 years 10-10.5 give or take 200k
@ 8 years 10.5-11 give or take 200k


Hes not paying him more than McDavid, nobody cares at the actual $$ Value a player makes its the Cap % of the deal and its well known McDavid took less the report was he turned down a 13.5m$ offer from the Oilers.

Assuming the cap hit for 2019-2020 is 83m
@ 5 Years 10.5 = 12.6%
@ 6 Years 11.25 = 13.5%
@ 7 Years 11.8-12 = 14.2%
@ 8 Years 12.5-13 = 15.6%

McDavid signed for 16.67% of the Cap at 12.5m
If McDavid took the 13.5m at that time it would be 18% of the Cap
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:19 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
RWers Kucherov is making 9.5m next year and Pastrnak started his 6.7m this year. Shouldn't these be the true comparables not the overpaid salaries the Leafs awarded Nylander and Matthews.


See my post above
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:28 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
RWers Kucherov is making 9.5m next year and Pastrnak started his 6.7m this year. Shouldn't these be the true comparables not the overpaid salaries the Leafs awarded Nylander and Matthews.


-the cap is going up= higher salaries
-Kucherov is in florida=lower taxes=Taking home more money so you cant really compare him to anyone
-IMO nylander is overpaid, but matthews was payed a fair amount, not great but fair
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:29 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
RWers Kucherov is making 9.5m next year and Pastrnak started his 6.7m this year. Shouldn't these be the true comparables not the overpaid salaries the Leafs awarded Nylander and Matthews.


To explain further, Kucherov signed at 9.5m (11.95%) of the cap for 8 Years this is widly known as a stellar deal for the TBL. I assume Kucherov left money on the table as well but we cant assume that as nothing was reported. Here are some Quotes from when the signing was reported.

"$9.5 million for a 100-point scorer who's only 25-years-old is incredible value and the hockey world couldn't believe Yzerman was able to lock up Kucherov at that price."

"Toews - 10.5M
Kane - 10.5M

Stamkos - 8.5M
Kucherov - 9.5M

... yeah I’ll take the second option please"

Travis Yost tweeted:

"List of players with more points than Nikita Kucherov over the last two seasons:

Connor McDavid.

The list has ended. $9.5mm seems pretty damn good."
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:43 p.m.
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Quoting: DocArin0
Hes not paying him more than McDavid, nobody cares at the actual $$ Value a player makes its the Cap % of the deal and its well known McDavid took less the report was he turned down a 13.5m$ offer from the Oilers.

Assuming the cap hit for 2019-2020 is 83m
@ 5 Years 10.5 = 12.6%
@ 6 Years 11.25 = 13.5%
@ 7 Years 11.8-12 = 14.2%
@ 8 Years 12.5-13 = 15.6%

McDavid signed for 16.67% of the Cap at 12.5m
If McDavid took the 13.5m at that time it would be 18% of the Cap


Obviously i realize the % of the cap, but you have to realize that players are in specific categories

Tiers for RFA Fowards
Tier #1= Mcdavid, Eichel, Matthews, Point
Tier#2= MARNER, Laine, Rantenen,Tkachuk,Aho, Boeser,
Tier#3= Pastrnak, Nylander, Ehlers, Connor
Feb. 6, 2019 at 6:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
Obviously i realize the % of the cap, but you have to realize that players are in specific categories

Tiers for RFA Fowards
Tier #1= Mcdavid, Eichel, Matthews, Point
Tier#2= MARNER, Laine, Rantenen,Tkachuk,Aho, Boeser,
Tier#3= Pastrnak, Nylander, Ehlers, Connor


But who are we to divide these players into "Tiers" and Rantenen in Tier 2 while Point is in Tier 1 is hurts my soul. The guy is an actual monster. All i am saying is to anyone who says "This player cant make that much because XYZ player makes less than that" has no actual understanding of how these discussions between a GM/Agent actually go its Bias to say just because Marner is a Leaf and they are in a cap crunch he is going to take less to make it work. Mathews got 14.63% of the Cap at only 5 Years (Not a SINGLE UFA year was bought in this contract) so saying Marner wont get 15.6% of the Cap when he would be buying 4 Years of UFA is kinda unreal IMO.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 7:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
-the cap is going up= higher salaries
-Kucherov is in florida=lower taxes=Taking home more money so you cant really compare him to anyone
-IMO nylander is overpaid, but matthews was payed a fair amount, not great but fair


I guess Matthew contracts depend on whether you think he the second highest paid player in the league. After McDavid's 12.5m, the next hghest is 11m. Sorry it's not worry worth it. And personal taxes have nothing to take home pay for professional athletes. We never hear of Blue Jays or Raptors demanding more money because of taxes...Like Matthews they are American players but somehow the tax experts on CapFriendly make it a false argument.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 7:13 p.m.
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Quoting: DocArin0
But who are we to divide these players into "Tiers" and Rantenen in Tier 2 while Point is in Tier 1 is hurts my soul. The guy is an actual monster. All i am saying is to anyone who says "This player cant make that much because XYZ player makes less than that" has no actual understanding of how these discussions between a GM/Agent actually go its Bias to say just because Marner is a Leaf and they are in a cap crunch he is going to take less to make it work. Mathews got 14.63% of the Cap at only 5 Years (Not a SINGLE UFA year was bought in this contract) so saying Marner wont get 15.6% of the Cap when he would be buying 4 Years of UFA is kinda unreal IMO.


Oh i agree that Rantenen is a beast, but something you have to realize is:
- Centers are paid a premium.
- Goals are worth more than assists
- Wingers have never been paid more than center as they are not as important

It's fair that people say "take a discount to help the team" because all players do. Marner will NEVER be worth as much as Matthews, so stop trying to say he is. I doubt he would cry himself to sleep at night if he made 80 million after taxes on an 8 year deal.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 7:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Thebig3
Oh i agree that Rantenen is a beast, but something you have to realize is:
- Centers are paid a premium.
- Goals are worth more than assists
- Wingers have never been paid more than center as they are not as important

It's fair that people say "take a discount to help the team" because all players do. Marner will NEVER be worth as much as Matthews, so stop trying to say he is. I doubt he would cry himself to sleep at night if he made 80 million after taxes on an 8 year deal.


He wont make 80m After taxes unless the Deal is Structured like the Mathews deal (Even if it is) Marner losses about 30-40% due to ONT Taxs. Canadas taxes are 10x higher than Americas

Last thing il say on this topic is we will have to see, Id be willing to bet money Marner signs for at Least 10.5m on a 5 year deal. Probs pushing 10.75m give or take 100-200k
we will have to wait and see wont we.
Feb. 6, 2019 at 7:41 p.m.
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Quoting: DocArin0
He wont make 80m After taxes unless the Deal is Structured like the Mathews deal (Even if it is) Marner losses about 30-40% due to ONT Taxs. Canadas taxes are 10x higher than Americas

Last thing il say on this topic is we will have to see, Id be willing to bet money Marner signs for at Least 10.5m on a 5 year deal. Probs pushing 10.75m give or take 100-200k
we will have to wait and see wont we.


Players are paid in American dollars, so the canadian angle is a bit overblown. Plus I have no doubt that his contract will be constructed the same as nylander, tavares, Matthews. My final prediction is 7 years at 10.816 million. Good conversation, see ya around!
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Feb. 7, 2019 at 12:25 a.m.
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If Dubas paid him more than Mcdavid he should be fired on the spot. Marner is a star winger, not a superstar center.

IMO:
@ 5 years 8.5-9.5
@ 6 years 9,5-10
@ 7 years 10-10.5 give or take 200k
@ 8 years 10.5-11 give or take 200k


This seems low...

Quoting: DocArin0
I dont agree, Mitch Marner contract is pretty conservative.

IMO Marner

@ 5 Years 10.5
@ 6 Years 11.25
@ 7 Years 11.8-12
@ 8 Years 12.5-13


This seems high... not so much your starting point, looks to me like marner will be in the 10-11m range on 5 years. But your price for ufa years seems high. If he starts at 10.5m I imagine that is 12m on an 8 year deal.
 
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