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Upgrade lhd and big body Center that can skate

Created by: Birtle34
Initial Creation Date: Feb 13, 2019
Published: Feb 13 at 1:22 pm
Team: 2018-19 Winnipeg Jets
Team Explanation
All in
Trades
WPG
  1. Hayes, Kevin
NYR
  1. Vesalainen, Kristian
  2. Dano, Marko
  3. Appleton, Mason
  4. 2019 1st round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Keith, Duncan ($2,538,462 retained)
CHI
  1. Petan, Nicolas
  2. Comrie, Eric
  3. Kulikov, Dmitry
  4. 2019 2nd round pick (WPG)
Buyouts
  • Mark Stuart: $583,333
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
2019
WPG
WPG
WPG
2020
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2021
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$79,500,000$76,966,664$0$4,095,000$2,533,336
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
UFA - 6
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
$5,600,000
RW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 7
NYR
Hayes, Kevin
$5,175,000
C
UFA - 1
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
WPG
Perreault, Mathieu
$4,125,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
WPG
Copp, Andrew
$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,666
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
WPG
Lemieux, Brendan
$839,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
WPG
Lowry, Adam
$2,916,666
C
UFA - 3
WPG
Tanev, Brandon
$1,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
WPG
Roslovic, Jack
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 2
WPG
Shaw, Logan
$675,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
$3,150,000
LD
UFA - 2
WPG
Trouba, Jacob
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 6
WPG
Chiarot, Ben
$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
WPG
Byfuglien, Dustin
$7,600,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
WPG
Brossoit, Laurent
$650,000
G
UFA - 1
CHI
Keith, Duncan
$3,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
WPG
Myers, Tyler
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
WPG
Morrow, Joe
$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
$775,000
RD
RFA - 2

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Feb 13 at 1:27
#1
Joined: Apr 2017
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NO NO NEVER. Do not trade for Hayes, it will take a massive overpayment and this is even more grotesque than that. This is disgusting for the Jets actually, barely even improves their current chances and kills their future and cap saving options (all of Vesalainen, Appleton and potentially their draft pick will help keep their window open with good play from guys on elc's). Don't believe Chicago retains on Keith like that so can't see that one especially for that low of a price, but if they would, Jets should do it.
Feb 13 at 1:33
#2
Go Jets Go!
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HUGE over payment on Hayes. I think Hayes will be a good fit in Winnipeg honestly, but NYR will not fetch that type of return.
Feb 13 at 1:36
#3
Math and Sports
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H*ll no to both. In this scenario we aren't picking till the 4th round, giving up our two best forward prospects (I'm counting Appleton), and paying a dman whose production is poised to fall off a cliff for the next five years.
Feb 13 at 1:37
#4
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Bandwagon fairweathe
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
NO NO NEVER. Do not trade for Hayes, it will take a massive overpayment and this is even more grotesque than that. This is disgusting for the Jets actually, barely even improves their current chances and kills their future and cap saving options (all of Vesalainen, Appleton and potentially their draft pick will help keep their window open with good play from guys on elc's). Don't believe Chicago retains on Keith like that so can't see that one especially for that low of a price, but if they would, Jets should do it.


Quoting: Rooney11
HUGE over payment on Hayes. I think Hayes will be a good fit in Winnipeg honestly, but NYR will not fetch that type of return.


So take off Appleton or vaselainen and it’s closer to correct or what’s the consensus, I maybe biased I was at rangers game last night and Hayes had a quiet night, but impressed me with size speed and strength, and I believe could be a nice fit, a poor mans oreilly sorta fit
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Feb 13 at 1:47
#5
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Bandwagon fairweathe
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Quoting: TheCelt
H*ll no to both. In this scenario we aren't picking till the 4th round, giving up our two best forward prospects (I'm counting Appleton), and paying a dman whose production is poised to fall off a cliff for the next five years.


Fair enough, I was at game last night, I liked the 3 of 4 lines and all the d pairings, and helly played well. I just feel little, and Lowry never going to be right Center for laine and I like copp as a player, but I’m not sure if he will get there either. I would like to see a line with copp laine and pearrault, tanev or Lemieux on the other wing and see if that could gain some chemistry, looking for a upgraded copp with a high energy crasher on one wing and laine on the other,
Feb 13 at 1:54
#6
Math and Sports
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Posts: 643
Likes: 160
Quoting: Birtle34
Fair enough, I was at game last night, I liked the 3 of 4 lines and all the d pairings, and helly played well. I just feel little, and Lowry never going to be right Center for laine and I like copp as a player, but I’m not sure if he will get there either. I would like to see a line with copp laine and pearrault, tanev or Lemieux on the other wing and see if that could gain some chemistry, looking for a upgraded copp with a high energy crasher on one wing and laine on the other,


I can agree with that. And the stats back that up as well.

Lines that Little play on since 2016 (when Laine arrived) average 2.58G/60. Adding Laine to his line actually only increases the G/60 by 0.03 to 2.61. Whereas Scheifele's line which averages 2.8G/60 goes to 4.1G/60 with Laine on the ice. Scheifele also carries Laine to 49CF% which means he's essentially playing a back-and-forth game as opposed to getting hemmed in his zone, as opposed to Little who puts a 46%. Interestingly enough withouth Laine Scheifele's shot share percentage raises by two but Little's raises by 8.

I completely agree that Little+Laine doesn't work, but I don't think we need a rental to fix that. It could be as simple as just bumping Laine up to play with either Scheifele or both Wheeler and Scheifele.

On a less statistical note, both Connor, and Ehlers have had pretty bad cold streaks this season and both were fixed when they were moved to the top line.
Feb 13 at 2:09
#7
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Bandwagon fairweathe
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Quoting: TheCelt
I can agree with that. And the stats back that up as well.

Lines that Little play on since 2016 (when Laine arrived) average 2.58G/60. Adding Laine to his line actually only increases the G/60 by 0.03 to 2.61. Whereas Scheifele's line which averages 2.8G/60 goes to 4.1G/60 with Laine on the ice. Scheifele also carries Laine to 49CF% which means he's essentially playing a back-and-forth game as opposed to getting hemmed in his zone, as opposed to Little who puts a 46%. Interestingly enough withouth Laine Scheifele's shot share percentage raises by two but Little's raises by 8.

I completely agree that Little+Laine doesn't work, but I don't think we need a rental to fix that. It could be as simple as just bumping Laine up to play with either Scheifele or both Wheeler and Scheifele.

On a less statistical note, both Connor, and Ehlers have had pretty bad cold streaks this season and both were fixed when they were moved to the top line.


Interesting I would like to see Lemieux with scheifele and wheeler, I would like to see someone else fight scheifeles battles other than wheeler, scheifele definitely plays with a target on him, and Connor down a line would spread the offense pretty good
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Feb 13 at 2:14
#8
Tspky
Joined: Feb 2016
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If that's what WPG gives up for Hayes i will be exuberant
Feb 13 at 2:18
#9
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Quoting: Birtle34
Interesting I would like to see Lemieux with scheifele and wheeler, I would like to see someone else fight scheifeles battles other than wheeler, scheifele definitely plays with a target on him, and Connor down a line would spread the offense pretty good


I think the big thing is usage. I have no problem with Scheifele fighting his own battles, with Byfuglien and Chiarot taking care of the Jamie Benns of the world. Scheifele is a tank when he's rested. Scheifele averaging 22min/game is another story.

Personally I would like to see us just stand pat at the deadline this year for reasons that would take a fairly long post to explain.

What I would prefer is
Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine 17min/game
Connor-Little-Wheeler 17min/game
Perreault-Lowry-Tanev 14min/game
Lemieux-Copp-Apples 12min/game

With Wheeler and Ehlers being switchable.

You're right in say Lemieux has earned more time (as has Copp and Apples), but I would rather see Scheifele take a step back as a result rather than more of the same. Also playing Laine a shade 10min/game is an absolute problem. The guy is struggling, but that is just unsustainable for guys like Scheifele and Wheeler to have to carry us like that.
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Feb 13 at 2:29
#10
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Bandwagon fairweathe
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Quoting: TheCelt
I think the big thing is usage. I have no problem with Scheifele fighting his own battles, with Byfuglien and Chiarot taking care of the Jamie Benns of the world. Scheifele is a tank when he's rested. Scheifele averaging 22min/game is another story.

Personally I would like to see us just stand pat at the deadline this year for reasons that would take a fairly long post to explain.

What I would prefer is
Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine 17min/game
Connor-Little-Wheeler 17min/game
Perreault-Lowry-Tanev 14min/game
Lemieux-Copp-Apples 12min/game

With Wheeler and Ehlers being switchable.

You're right in say Lemieux has earned more time (as has Copp and Apples), but I would rather see Scheifele take a step back as a result rather than more of the same. Also playing Laine a shade 10min/game is an absolute problem. The guy is struggling, but that is just unsustainable for guys like Scheifele and Wheeler to have to carry us like that.


Ya that fixes laine little roslovic, I like your plans I wouldn’t mind seeing roslovic getting some low min time up the middle, I think he could possibly develop into a scheifele 2.0, but I may be reaching. I would be all right with standing pat as long as they don’t keep running out laine little roslovic
Feb 13 at 2:38
#11
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Quoting: Birtle34
Ya that fixes laine little roslovic, I like your plans I wouldn’t mind seeing roslovic getting some low min time up the middle, I think he could possibly develop into a scheifele 2.0, but I may be reaching. I would be all right with standing pat as long as they don’t keep running out laine little roslovic


My bad, I did forget about Roslovic. You could throw him in for any of Tanev, Apples, Copp or Lemieux, and have the 5 of them rotating. As this point in time, I would guess something more in between Little and Giroux. (If you go look at Roslovic's AHL stats and Giroux's AHL stats.)
Feb 13 at 2:48
#12
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Quoting: TheCelt
My bad, I did forget about Roslovic. You could throw him in for any of Tanev, Apples, Copp or Lemieux, and have the 5 of them rotating. As this point in time, I would guess something more in between Little and Giroux. (If you go look at Roslovic's AHL stats and Giroux's AHL stats.)


A faster giroux, that is a better comparison, I agree
Feb 13 at 2:59
#13
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Quoting: Birtle34
Interesting I would like to see Lemieux with scheifele and wheeler, I would like to see someone else fight scheifeles battles other than wheeler, scheifele definitely plays with a target on him, and Connor down a line would spread the offense pretty good


For some reason I absolutely love this idea. I think people would end up not messing with those guys with Lemieux out there. Even though he’s small, he can pack a punch. Lemieux has also shown that he can bring some offence with his grit so that could be a really interesting fit
Feb 13 at 3:03
#14
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Quoting: TheCelt
H*ll no to both. In this scenario we aren't picking till the 4th round, giving up our two best forward prospects (I'm counting Appleton), and paying a dman whose production is poised to fall off a cliff for the next five years.


I disagree with you about Keith here. If you were paying him 5 mil, then yes that’s going to be a tough cap to swallow. But at 3 mil let’s not kid ourselves, where are the jets going to find defensemen that can play in the top 4 for cheaper than that? Only through development I guess. Just look at what they pay Kulikov. Keith will continue to slow down but he’s still going to be a decent dman
Feb 13 at 3:06
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Quoting: Birtle34
So take off Appleton or vaselainen and it’s closer to correct or what’s the consensus, I maybe biased I was at rangers game last night and Hayes had a quiet night, but impressed me with size speed and strength, and I believe could be a nice fit, a poor mans oreilly sorta fit


As a pure rental, I guess the jets should be willing to give up a 1st but I don’t think much more, especially in this market. They shouldn’t touch any prospects at the deadline unless it really bolsters the team. I’m talking like Panarin duchene stone type guys. I really think though they should just stand pat, maybe add a little depth
Feb 13 at 3:33
#16
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
But at 3 mil let’s not kid ourselves, where are the jets going to find defensemen that can play in the top 4 for cheaper than that?


Um... On the Blackhawks? The Blackhawks have an LHD capable of playing in the top 4 for the next two years at 1.2M. Outside of that, Niku is more than capable based on the way he's played this year in the NHL and in the AHL.

And to top it off the 'Buff effect': You can play pretty much anyone with Dustin Byfuglien and they won't look out of place in the top 4.
 
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