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Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 13, 2019
Published: Feb. 13, 2019
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    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.
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    Try a first and Severson....
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: Jetman
    Try a first and Severson....


    I will not
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:08 p.m.
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    I will not


    This is where NJD wont get Trouba as he will get a first in return but your 1st is going to be to good.(I get your point but...)
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:09 p.m.
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    This is where NJD wont get Trouba as he will get a first in return but your 1st is going to be to good.(I get your point but...)


    how about the Devils Second in 2019 (likely pick 32-36) plus another second (nashville or if they can get a 2nd for Johansson)
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: ScottRoth
    how about the Devils Second in 2019 (likely pick 32-36) plus another second (nashville or if they can get a 2nd for Johansson)


    Severson, NJD 2nd, NASH 2nd, NJD 2020 4th for Trouba and Perreault

    You guys have the cap space and Perreault still is a decent player but too much cap hit for the Jets
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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    Severson, NJD 2nd, NASH 2nd, NJD 2020 4th for Trouba and Perreault

    You guys have the cap space and Perreault still is a decent player but too much cap hit for the Jets


    done deal for me, we definitely have the cap as shown above.
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    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:23 p.m.
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    This is where NJD wont get Trouba as he will get a first in return but your 1st is going to be to good.(I get your point but...)


    He'll be a year from UFA, that's a fair offer, the Jets would be moronic to not take that offer cause they're not likely to get one much better, would be better to get the Devils 2nd round pick then the Nashville 2nd.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:30 p.m.
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    I'd make that deal next year, but not this one. 2 years of Trouba>> 4 years of Severson.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:34 p.m.
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    I'd make that deal next year, but not this one. 2 years of Trouba>> 4 years of Severson.


    Do you think you would get this package for Trouba's UFA rights as opposed to RFA? need to trade him before the deadline next year to get anything if you sign another 1 year deal this offseason.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:37 p.m.
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    The trouble with giving up anything of value for Trouba is that we all know that there are only a handful of places that he will likely sign a long-term deal with. If you aren't one of those places, you will end up taking a huge loss.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:39 p.m.
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    The trouble with giving up anything of value for Trouba is that we all know that there are only a handful of places that he will likely sign a long-term deal with. If you aren't one of those places, you will end up taking a huge loss.


    I'm assuming he will extend in this scenario, I know he wants to be a 1D and be paid like one.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheCelt
    I'd make that deal next year, but not this one. 2 years of Trouba>> 4 years of Severson.


    This is...basically at draft day thing
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:42 p.m.
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    I'm assuming he will extend in this scenario, I know he wants to be a 1D and be paid like one.


    This would be in the Jets best interest so yes....Kinda like Max Pacioretty
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: ScottRoth
    Do you think you would get this package for Trouba's UFA rights as opposed to RFA? need to trade him before the deadline next year to get anything if you sign another 1 year deal this offseason.


    No we don't. He becomes a UFA the same year that Pietrangelo, Barrie, Tanev, Schultz, Spurgeon, Vatanen, and Faulk become UFAs. It's a probability that Trouba won't resign with the Jets. It's also a probability that should none of those names choose the Jets in a year when they will be even bigger contenders than they are now, have cap space freed up from Trouba dipping out, and have an spot open on our top line to get all the ice time that a good defenseman could possibly want. The pressure to trade Trouba isn't exactly smothering, when all we need to do is convince one of those guys to come play top minutes for us in a defense that will already have Morrissey and Byfuglien.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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    I'm assuming he will extend in this scenario, I know he wants to be a 1D and be paid like one.


    That isn't the issue. He only wants to play in certain places. Trying to guess those places, outside of Detroit, is impossible. I wouldn't risk a top 4 D and a 1st on that kind of gamble
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
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    No we don't. He becomes a UFA the same year that Pietrangelo, Barrie, Tanev, Schultz, Spurgeon, Vatanen, and Faulk become UFAs. It's a probability that Trouba won't resign with the Jets. It's also a probability that should none of those names choose the Jets in a year when they will be even bigger contenders than they are now, have cap space freed up from Trouba dipping out, and have an spot open on our top line to get all the ice time that a good defenseman could possibly want. The pressure to trade Trouba isn't exactly smothering, when all we need to do is convince one of those guys to come play top minutes for us in a defense that will already have Morrissey and Byfuglien.


    If you cannot extend trouba then it is in your best interest to trade him at this draft because he will have the most value at this draft. I have no idea why brining up other D men that could be UFA's has to do with getting the most out of an asset that doesnt seem to want to extend long term at the number the Jets are throwing out there.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:46 p.m.
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    That isn't the issue. He only wants to play in certain places. Trying to guess those places, outside of Detroit, is impossible. I wouldn't risk a top 4 D and a 1st on that kind of gamble


    I'm not actually involved in the situation so I dont know, I would assume the Devils do not make this move if Trouba doesnt say he would extend here. This is a package I think is fair given that made up situation on this website to see how made up situations would play out.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:48 p.m.
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    If you cannot extend trouba then it is in your best interest to trade him at this draft because he will have the most value at this draft. I have no idea why brining up other D men that could be UFA's has to do with getting the most out of an asset that doesnt seem to want to extend long term at the number the Jets are throwing out there.


    Severson is decent, has a low cap, a manitoban..etc...This trade is fair(as in the one that I had with Perreault).
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:49 p.m.
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    If you cannot extend trouba then it is in your best interest to trade him at this draft because he will have the most value at this draft. I have no idea why brining up other D men that could be UFA's has to do with getting the most out of an asset that doesnt seem to want to extend long term at the number the Jets are throwing out there.


    Because why would we make a trade where we give up the best player in the deal that devalues him based on his contract? As long as there are good options for the contingency of Trouba leaving, which there are, the Jets don't need to make a trade which lowers their chances of winning a cup.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 3:52 p.m.
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    Because why would we make a trade where we give up the best player in the deal that devalues him based on his contract? As long as there are good options for the contingency of Trouba leaving, which there are, the Jets don't need to make a trade which lowers their chances of winning a cup.


    for one year your chances may go down, but for the prime of this team over the next 4 years they go up if you have a second pair D in Severson locked up at a number likely half as much as what trouba is looking for.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 4:01 p.m.
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    for one year your chances may go down, but for the prime of this team over the next 4 years they go up if you have a second pair D in Severson locked up at a number likely half as much as what trouba is looking for.


    That's not how math works. If you're saying we trade Trouba this year then our chances go down for 2 and rise for 2. If you're making this trade next year our chances go down for one and still go up by 2 after that. Either way that's a fairly marginal gain or lateral gain. But instead of tying up cap in Severson in an absolutely stacked defensive UFA class we could take that money and spend it, especially since the Jets get almost another 8M the next year when Buff comes off the books. This comparison works well, because you are essentially selling the replacement. I would bet the probability of not getting a replacement for Trouba in the year that he'll be a UFA in is so low that it's easily a gamble worth taking.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 4:02 p.m.
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    Because why would we make a trade where we give up the best player in the deal that devalues him based on his contract? As long as there are good options for the contingency of Trouba leaving, which there are, the Jets don't need to make a trade which lowers their chances of winning a cup.


    This also gives us an extra 3M+ in a cap hit. This gives us room for Myers as well.
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 4:03 p.m.
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    That's not how math works. If you're saying we trade Trouba this year then our chances go down for 2 and rise for 2. If you're making this trade next year our chances go down for one and still go up by 2 after that. Either way that's a fairly marginal gain or lateral gain. But instead of tying up cap in Severson in an absolutely stacked defensive UFA class we could take that money and spend it, especially since the Jets get almost another 8M the next year when Buff comes off the books. This comparison works well, because you are essentially selling the replacement. I would bet the probability of not getting a replacement for Trouba in the year that he'll be a UFA in is so low that it's easily a gamble worth taking.


    We will not be getting a RD in that class as we also have to extend Morrissey that year. Our cap is at the limit and so a decent RD at 4M+ is what we need
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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    That's not how math works. If you're saying we trade Trouba this year then our chances go down for 2 and rise for 2. If you're making this trade next year our chances go down for one and still go up by 2 after that. But instead of tying up cap in Severson in an absolutely stacked defensive UFA class we could take that money and spend it, especially since the Jets get almost another 8M the next year when Buff comes off the books. This comparison works well, because you are essentially selling the replacement. I would bet the probability of not getting a replacement for Trouba in the year that he'll be a UFA in is so low that it's easily a gamble worth taking.


    this is at the draft this year, which is after the season ends by the way. Severson is signed for 4 more years at 4.2. The jets likely dont have the cap situation to pay Trouba while he's an RFA, so how will they pay these UFA D on the open market?
    Feb. 13, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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    This also gives us an extra 3M+ in a cap hit. This gives us room for Myers as well.


    I like Myers, but then we're stuck with same logjam we have at RHD currently. Myers will make a 5-6M and whether you put Severson or Myers at 3RHD there is no way to justify that cost.

    If we're trading Trouba and extending Myers, then let's go out and get Athanasiou or someone who doesn't throw the balance of this team off.
     
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