What is Burakovsky worth

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$79,500,000	$70,740,962	$82,500	$1,100,000	$8,759,038

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Ovechkin, Alex $9,538,462$9,538,462 LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Kuznetsov, Evgeny $3,900,000$3,900,000 C UFA - 7	Oshie, T.J. $5,750,000$5,750,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 7
Burakovsky, André $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Bäckström, Nicklas $6,700,000$6,700,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Wilson, Tom $5,166,667$5,166,667 RW UFA - 6
Vrána, Jakub $863,333$863,333 ($600,000$600K) LW UFA - 1	Eller, Lars $2,415,000$2,415,000 C UFA - 5	Connolly, Brett $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Bau-Hansen, Mathias $700,000$700,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Boyd, Travis $800,000$800,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Jaskin, Dmitrij $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Stephenson, Chandler $650,000$650,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Dowd, Nic $650,000$650,000 C UFA - 1	Smith-Pelly, Devante $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Orlov, Dmitry $1,275,000$1,275,000 LD UFA - 5	Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 8	Holtby, Braden $6,100,000$6,100,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Kempný, Michal $2,500,000$2,500,000 LD UFA - 4	Niskanen, Matt $5,750,000$5,750,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Copley, Pheonix $650,000$650,000 G UFA - 1
Orpik, Brooks $1,000,000$1,000,000 ($500,000$500K) LD NTC UFA - 1	Bowey, Madison $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA - 2
Djoos, Christian $650,000$650,000 LD UFA - 1

Feb. 19, 2019 at 7:38 p.m.

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Top 9 forward and a mid second round pick maybe?

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 7:49 p.m.

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Top 9 forward and a mid second round pick maybe?

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 7:52 p.m.

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Thanks. You probably wouldn't like the description. Do not read it.

Maybe a late first I'm not terrific with value haha.

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 7:59 p.m.

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Id say a second. Maybe a conditional 1st if he hits some sort of mark the next season (maybe 50 points or 25 goals or something like that) I get that he's playing well but hes only on pace for 25 points this year and he isnt good defensively. Cant say hes gonna be worth what its gonna take to give him a qualifying offer

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:02 p.m.

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Edited Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:07 p.m.

Alone, probably a 3rd. Maybe a 2nd from a thirsty GM. But he'd have to be pretty damn thirsty.

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:14 p.m.

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Id say a second. Maybe a conditional 1st if he hits some sort of mark the next season (maybe 50 points or 25 goals or something like that) I get that he's playing well but hes only on pace for 25 points this year and he isnt good defensively. Cant say hes gonna be worth what its gonna take to give him a qualifying offer

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Alone, probably a 3rd. Maybe a 2nd from a thirsty GM. But he'd have to be pretty damn thirsty.

"Last week, Burakovsky finished a lucky streak with 7 even strength points in nine games. If he could keep up that pace all year, he'd have 42 ESP so far this year. Duchene has 46.

Burakovsky is not going to outscore Duchene for at least a couple years, but he is 11th in career points in the draft class of 2013, and 7th in even strength goals, just ahead of Drouin, Mantha, and Domi: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skatergoals&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20122013&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evGoals,goals

Everyone with more points than him was either picked in the top 15 of the class, or has played their whole career on Crosby's line, so I think the best estimate of his long term value is a 15th overall pick. His slow start this year (2 points in 16 games, maybe due to the broken wrist, I don't know) lowered that, a lot. But his recent hot streak probably brings it back up to a late 1st rounder?"

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:21 p.m.

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"Last week, Burakovsky finished a lucky streak with 7 even strength points in nine games. If he could keep up that pace all year, he'd have 42 ESP so far this year. Duchene has 46.

Burakovsky is not going to outscore Duchene for at least a couple years, but he is 11th in career points in the draft class of 2013, and 7th in even strength goals, just ahead of Drouin, Mantha, and Domi: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skatergoals&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20122013&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&draftYear=2013&position=F&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evGoals,goals

Everyone with more points than him was either picked in the top 15 of the class, or has played their whole career on Crosby's line, so I think the best estimate of his long term value is a 15th overall pick. His slow start this year (2 points in 16 games, maybe due to the broken wrist, I don't know) lowered that, a lot. But his recent hot streak probably brings it back up to a late 1st rounder?"

--the description

Yea i read the description dude,it doesnt matter that hes 11th in points in the 2013 draft class. It matters that he cant play defense for his life and that hes slumping. You judge players based on their trajectory and burakovskys hasnt been going up this year. Hes getting a guarenteed 3.25 mill in the offseason that he isnt worth. Ive always liked bura but you are valuing him way too high, hes a 3rd liner on a solid team

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:25 p.m.

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He is a healthy scratch most times then not for Washington, why would you think he is worth a lottery pick?

If Washington was getting those kind of offers for him he would be gone but teams aren't offering close to that and probably wont.

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:26 p.m.

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Yea i read the description dude,it doesnt matter that hes 11th in points in the 2013 draft class. It matters that he cant play defense for his life and that hes slumping. You judge players based on their trajectory and burakovskys hasnt been going up this year. Hes getting a guarenteed 3.25 mill in the offseason that he isnt worth. Ive always liked bura but you are valuing him way too high, hes a 3rd liner on a solid team

He leads this year's Capitals in 4-on-5 corsi. So, by one objective measure, he's the team's best penalty killer.

When they announced Wilson's contract, a couple of the articles listed his rank among draft class in assists, points, hits, blocks, and even PIMs. So I assumed that came from the team. If a stat matters to a team that wins the Cup, it is an important stat. So far all you've given me are opinions. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:27 p.m.

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He is a healthy scratch most times then not for Washington, why would you think he is worth a lottery pick?

If Washington was getting those kind of offers for him he would be gone but teams aren't offering close to that and probably wont.

That's okay. Washington can afford his q.o. I just wanted to clarify why Caps fans are shooting down lowball offers like, "Lehkonen and a slightly used pair of socks."

Also, they said he was healthy scratched six times this year, including four games in a row, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had a minor injury that they just didn't feel like publicizing. Starting in january he got seven points in nine games. He's good, again. Won't be scratched, this year.

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:40 p.m.

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He leads this year's Capitals in 4-on-5 corsi. So, by one objective measure, he's the team's best penalty killer.

When they announced Wilson's contract, a couple of the articles listed his rank among draft class in assists, points, hits, blocks, and even PIMs. So I assumed that came from the team. If a stat matters to a team that wins the Cup, it is an important stat. So far all you've given me are opinions. Your opinion doesn't matter.

aaaaand im officially done with commenting on your posts. You ask me for my opinion and you return by talking about the caps winning a cup. You are the worst type of fan

Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:40 p.m.

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That's okay. Washington can afford his q.o. I just wanted to clarify why Caps fans are shooting down lowball offers like, "Lehkonen and a slightly used pair of socks."

Also, they said he was healthy scratched six times this year, including four games in a row, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had a minor injury that they just didn't feel like publicizing. Starting in january he got seven points in nine games. He's good, again. Won't be scratched, this year.

See and I'm a Habs fan who wouldn't give up Lehkonen for him. Lehkonen is better defensively, still shown he can be competent offensively, and will likely be cheaper to sign for a long term contract. It's just where you can fit them, Lehkonen is the perfect 3rd liner, Bura is an upside top 6 guy, but he has to be consistent

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 8:42 p.m.

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That's okay. Washington can afford his q.o. I just wanted to clarify why Caps fans are shooting down lowball offers like, "Lehkonen and a slightly used pair of socks."

Also, they said he was healthy scratched six times this year, including four games in a row, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had a minor injury that they just didn't feel like publicizing. Starting in january he got seven points in nine games. He's good, again. Won't be scratched, this year.

I mean, Habs GM balked at the Burakovsky for Lehkonen offer, so people probably take those cues from...reality.

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Feb. 19, 2019 at 9:05 p.m.

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I mean, Habs GM balked at the Burakovsky for Lehkonen offer, so people probably take those cues from...reality.

Reality's pretty funny, sometimes.

Glad the Habs passed. I'm sure Lehkonen prevents a few more goals against per year than Burakovsky, but I think when healthy, Burakovsky creates at much better rates. Caps should keep him, cheap, long term, and try to get fifty points out of him, next year.

Here's a discusson with Canadiens fans evenly split on who is better, which I think is enough information to be pretty sure it's actually Burakovsky

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/burakovsky-almost-went-to-the-habs.2611069/

Feb. 19, 2019 at 9:09 p.m.

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See and I'm a Habs fan who wouldn't give up Lehkonen for him. Lehkonen is better defensively, still shown he can be competent offensively, and will likely be cheaper to sign for a long term contract. It's just where you can fit them, Lehkonen is the perfect 3rd liner, Bura is an upside top 6 guy, but he has to be consistent

Yeah, I guess we all know our own favorite teams' guys a bit better than other teams' players. I also am a fan of the idea of Kotkaniemi having two Finnish wings for a couple more years, so just in terms of team chemistry, I can see Lehkonen personally being a stumbling block. But Burakovksy leads the Caps in 4-on-5 corsi percentage this year. He still doesn't play big minutes shorthanded. Hardly any. But he's effective in those minutes.

Feb. 19, 2019 at 9:13 p.m.

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Quoting: Eli

Reality's pretty funny, sometimes.

Glad the Habs passed. I'm sure Lehkonen prevents a few more goals against per year than Burakovsky, but I think when healthy, Burakovsky creates at much better rates. Caps should keep him, cheap, long term, and try to get fifty points out of him, next year.

I watch some Habs games (usually when they play Atlantic big dogs), and I disagree. I actually really really like Lehkonen. I think he's exactly what Caps could use in their middle six. He works his ass off in all ends and is noticable because how hard he works. Zero coast to his game. He's one of those guys you really wonder why he doesn't have more points, because he's everywhere.

I'll say this, Burakovsky has a lot more killer finish, even with his slow release. But all things being equal Lehkonen is a better player. I DO like that GMBM had a high ask. Shows me there was no way org is willing just give up on Burakovsky, and the ensuing trade had to be worth their while.

Feb. 19, 2019 at 9:38 p.m.

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3rd year going on 4th and looking to get new contract this offseason...
NEVER scored 40 pts
NEVER sniffed 20 goals

Would be upset if my team gave a 1st...
More likely get to swap for another young , talented, STRUGGLING player...

He is fast... and has flashed... but nothing worth a 1st .

Feb. 19, 2019 at 9:46 p.m.

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3rd year going on 4th and looking to get new contract this offseason...
NEVER scored 40 pts
NEVER sniffed 20 goals

Would be upset if my team gave a 1st...
More likely get to swap for another young , talented, STRUGGLING player...

He is fast... and has flashed... but nothing worth a 1st .

One year unaffected by the three slashes that broke his wrist, his finger, or his other wrist. He got 17g at evens, that year. Not 20 because the Caps have better wings and don't need him on the power play.

17ESG equals Kreider's 2nd best year:. https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/34349/eric-holcomb#.XGjcveVOk0N

Zucc's high is 19.

Namestnikov's is 13. https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/34349/eric-holcomb#.XGjcveVOk0N

Zibanejad's is 17. https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/34349/eric-holcomb#.XGjcveVOk0N

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Feb. 20, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.

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I don't think the Caps give him up for a third. I think if they only get a third, they'll want a prospect too. A second and third round pick maybe? But the Caps are in win now mode, and need a player probably.

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Feb. 20, 2019 at 6:30 p.m.

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I don't think the Caps give him up for a third. I think if they only get a third, they'll want a prospect too. A second and third round pick maybe? But the Caps are in win now mode, and need a player probably.

Sounds pretty close. I think a few teams would have picked him up already, at just a 2nd and a 3rd, so it's probably two 2nds. Which equals one late first, more or less.

They pulled Jaskin and Smith-Pelly out of practice early this morning, but not Burakovsky as far as I've read, so I think with his recent streak of decent play, they really might keep him, and talk about what they can get for some fourth line guys.

Feb. 20, 2019 at 6:52 p.m.

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he isn't worth more than one second or third at most. Although if a GM gets desperate I guess they might throw in a bit more.

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