Sens decline not even close. You have to remove the 2nd coming to Boston, the ‘19 2nd becomes a 1st.

alright, take out the 2nd coming to Boston but like they kind of are already taking back a first rounder in Vaak and another late first in Heinen. That's 2 1st round picks imo and you shouldn't give another guaranteed first rounder

Then you don’t get him ?‍♂️

agreed! Read the description. I don't want Stone. I don't understand why people want Stone

You think this is overpayment? A (young but not too young) guy with 20 pts., A B level prospect (I don’t care that he was taken mid first round he isn’t an A level) nordstrom who is not worth much and not even a garunteed (or even likely) 1st..... that’s way too low, make it a garunteed 1st and a conditional 2nd that could be a first if Boston makes it to the finals and I’m still not 100% sure Ottawa accepts

Because he’s really good.

Short term thinkers though.

Can’t resign him and the RFAs next year without somehow getting rid of Backes contract entirely and trading Krug. And then even if you manage you are tapped the following year when Debrusk, Coyle, Grizz, Halak, Bjork come due.

Idiots would set the team back for years to improve the odds of a Cup from roughly 15% chance to 30%. I don’t get it. Add a 3rd line RW or C for a reasonable cost and hope to stay healthy.

this is hilarious. 1st off, Heinen has hit a sophomore surge and is on a bad year. He had a 50 point campaign in his rookie season. He is only going to be better and better. A first round pick doesn't mean a NHL player and so he is a safe mid first round pick. He is better than you think. 2nd of all, how tf is Vaak a B level prospect. He is a 2-way D and not expected to score. Tell me how he is a B leveled prospect. Is saying Carter Hart is a B+ prospect. It's hilarious. One of the best built D prospects right now. This is hilarious.Nordstrom is nothing in this trade. If you have eyes, you better read what I wrote. So lets say the sens lose Stone for nothing or take this deal. This deal could get you probably Tarasenko if he was producing worse with retaining. This is a troll post and stop being illogical

exactly. Its future or now and I rather build for the future, even though players in their prime would get worse but if we can go for a cup run with a solid depth (3rd and 4th line). We don't need an insane top 6. We need 12 fowards producing)

1. I said “Nordstrom who isn’t worth much” just to get that outta the way
2. Vaakanainen is a b level prospect cause he is a 20 y.o in his rookie ahl season looking like he needs another ahl season, will be 22 when he enter the league assuming he does well next year, doesn’t have a crazy high ceiling, not that he won’t make the nhl or even be a top 4 guy at some point, but he is a B level prospect
3. Nail yakupov had 31pts. In 48 games in his rookie campaign, which proves a good rookie year doesn’t mean s***, teams aren’t dumb enough to pay max value for him right now, if he rebounds next year (which he more than likely will) then he is worth what a 50 point guy is worth, not now
4. Carter Hart is a 20 Y.O goalie with a .917 in his first 22 NHL games, how is that comparable to Vaakanienen in any way
5. If the Sens has to choose between this deal or nothing, they would take this deal, but that’s the only scenario that they would take this deal, and that’s not the scenario in the real world where the rest of us live

vaak needs another AHL season. Production wise? What is wrong with you Dman aren't suppose to score a bunch. He plays insane Defense (something a lot of teams lack) and doesn't jump offense when he doesn't need to making basically no mistakes. He is NHL ready this season but we don't have a spot for him. It's a joke how fans just look at Vlassic and he sucks because he doesn't put up points. This is the funniest joke of today. Ok so which deal would they take and from which team. Its pretty much a joke from you. A toward can't be compared to a Dman as you say Carter Hart can't be compared to Vaak. Its so funny you contradicted yourself twice in a single post.
Btw, did you even watch him in wjc 2019 or in the AHL. If you didnt, you don't just anything

Where did I contradict myself? Also Vlasic is a beast

than Vaak is a beast because they play the same type of game. Defense. You are too stupid to find out where you contradicted

I said an NHL goaltender isn’t comparable to an AHL defenseman, also I never said Vaak is bad, just that he needs more time and doesn’t have an extremely high ceiling, which makes him not an A level prospect, maybe Vaak will be as good as Vlasic one day, but the odds aren’t great so he again is not an A level prospect, but anyways, now that you may have untwisted your panties a bit I encourage you to reread my post and tell me where I contradicted myself, then I will explain to you where you miss understood and are wrong

On any other team Vaak would be in the NHL next year, he had a bad concussion this year and missed a lot of time. No question Vaak is an A prospect,Heinen is going to be a really solid player, 60 point two-way guy. Sens still might not do it and i doubt the bruins would do it either. I just dont see them as partners for stone

So you realized I didn’t contradict myself eh?

uh... You did

Again, tell me where, and I’ll tell you how you misunderstood

tell me where you didn't contradict yourself

Sure, here is where I didn’t contradict myself,

1. I said “Nordstrom who isn’t worth much” just to get that outta the way
2. Vaakanainen is a b level prospect cause he is a 20 y.o in his rookie ahl season looking like he needs another ahl season, will be 22 when he enter the league assuming he does well next year, doesn’t have a crazy high ceiling, not that he won’t make the nhl or even be a top 4 guy at some point, but he is a B level prospect
3. Nail yakupov had 31pts. In 48 games in his rookie campaign, which proves a good rookie year doesn’t mean s***, teams aren’t dumb enough to pay max value for him right now, if he rebounds next year (which he more than likely will) then he is worth what a 50 point guy is worth, not now
4. Carter Hart is a 20 Y.O goalie with a .917 in his first 22 NHL games, how is that comparable to Vaakanienen in any way
5. If the Sens has to choose between this deal or nothing, they would take this deal, but that’s the only scenario that they would take this deal, and that’s not the scenario in the real world where the rest of us live

That whole thing there

Vaakanainen is an A prospect imo. Not an A+, but an A. B Prospects are like Cehlarik Zboril and Senyshyn.

Yakupov is a special case because he was a one way player who sucked at defense which isn't anything like the player you're comparing him to. Heinen hasn't scored a lot but still has gotten a lot of Ice time because he's so good defensively. It's a poor comparison.

Goalies have less value than skaters. They go up and down before learning how to be consistent. There are too many goalies to mention who put up good numbers in the CHL and then busted in the NHL because it's a different path. That's why very few are drafted in the 1st round because it's harder to know who will work out.

I try to differentiate more when we refer to an A level prospect on Defense, I think of Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes, and I don’t think Vaakanainen is on that level, maybe I just grade prospects differently than you guys/ high a higher threshold of what qualifies as an A level, and I wasn’t comparing Yak to Heinen, just showing a case where a good first year didn’t work out, that will cause teams to be cautious and not pay full price for a guy who is having a bad year, and for Hart idk why the other guy brought him up... I’m confused as to how he thinks a rookie NHL goalie is comparable to an AHL defenseman.... I don’t get it

In hindsight they probably woulda taken this deal lol, - the 2nd going to BOS

this is hilarious. I'm stopping this comedy.

Ur a tool, read my last comment, I said this is better than what they did end up getting