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Athletics Hypothetical Trades For Red Wings

Created by: HeinousFulcrum
Team: 2019-20 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 15, 2019
Published: May 15, 2019
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Based off of The Athletics hypothetical trades for the Red Wings. The defence gets totally overhauled and a welcome problem of having too many right-handed defencemen. Mortgaged some of the future for Trouba. Byram Bowen will probably be unavailable for the 6th pick. Which means they lose out again this year on a potential 1st pairing defenceman. This trade makes sense to grab a 1st pairing defenceman as it is an organizational need, one which the Red Wings don't have anything in the pipeline for. I like the idea of grabbing Miller. He is an upgrade from Daley and he has 3 years left which should be the perfect timing for one of McIsaac or Lindstrom to be ready to take over. Had to give up Svechnikov as an asset. He is good, but the Red Wings have lots of good forward prospects. Don't know if that Tampa Bay trade makes sense. Bowey and Kuffner are the odd men out so I just added them to this trade to take on the Callahan contract.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$8,250,000
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Kaski, Oliwar
3$3,250,000
Dach, Kirby
3$925,000
Trades
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DET
  1. Trouba, Jacob [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Green, Mike ($2,687,500 retained)
  2. 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)
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3.
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2019
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2020
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$77,754,999$145,000$3,965,000$4,745,001
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LW, RW
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 4
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$3,300,000$3,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW
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UFA - 3
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$759,167$759,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, RW, LW
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
$8,250,000$8,250,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$4,000,000$4,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,100,000$1M)
G
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166
LD
RFA - 2
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$714,166$714,166 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
Kaski, Oliwar
$3,250,000$3,250,000
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LD
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UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,954,545$3,954,545
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$6,083,333$6,083,333
C
UFA - 2

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May 15, 2019 at 12:54 p.m.
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Trading a late 2nd round pick and retaining on a cap dump for a top pairing defenseman is "mortgaging some of the future" now? ?
May 15, 2019 at 1:01 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Trading a late 2nd round pick and retaining on a cap dump for a top pairing defenseman is "mortgaging some of the future" now? ?


Fair point. What would be needed here? Reporting and rumours have Trouba wanting out. What more would the Red Wings need to give up? Does their own 2nd round pick this year do it?
May 15, 2019 at 1:06 p.m.
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Fair point. What would be needed here? Reporting and rumours have Trouba wanting out. What more would the Red Wings need to give up? Does their own 2nd round pick this year do it?


If he's going to sign an extension in Detroit. Green, B+ Prospect, and a 1st would have to be traded
May 15, 2019 at 1:06 p.m.
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Fair point. What would be needed here? Reporting and rumours have Trouba wanting out. What more would the Red Wings need to give up? Does their own 2nd round pick this year do it?


Some Wings fans will lose their minds but to me Hronek and the Wings 2019 2nd is fair if Trouba is signing with Detroit. Maybe the Jets add a mid to late round pick to make the pieces even going both ways but that's it.
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May 15, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.
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If he's going to sign an extension in Detroit. Green, B+ Prospect, and a 1st would have to be traded


No way the Red Wings give up a 1st round pick here.
May 15, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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No way the Red Wings give up a 1st round pick here.


I mean like a 3-way deal that would give you a late 1st round pick to trade not your pick. By no means would you trade your pick
May 15, 2019 at 1:49 p.m.
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I mean like a 3-way deal that would give you a late 1st round pick to trade not your pick. By no means would you trade your pick


Ahh okay, I mistook you. Confused
May 15, 2019 at 2:51 p.m.
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Ahh okay, I mistook you. Confused


I didn't really explain sorry
May 15, 2019 at 4:11 p.m.
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Some Wings fans will lose their minds but to me Hronek and the Wings 2019 2nd is fair if Trouba is signing with Detroit. Maybe the Jets add a mid to late round pick to make the pieces even going both ways but that's it.


That's because Hronek in 46 games he had 23pts and P/60 numbers were almost identical to Trouba plus he's younger and less expensive. That was in the first time he was called up so why would Detroit make that trade when it's possible Hronek might be better a better player.
May 15, 2019 at 4:41 p.m.
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No one is giving up an early 1st round pick for Trouba. The 3 beat writers that did the article for The Athletic (including the WPG beat writer) had Lindstrom, and the 35OA for Trouba, with a conditional 2nd if Trouba extends. They did say throw in Green retained to give WPG an asset back to fill the hole short term (especially with a top of the line F core, they are still SCF contenders).

Trouba isn't a 1D. He played sheltered minutes in WPG, and scored a bunch of the power play. He is an offensive defenceman. He's a bigger Brian Rafalski (who's metrics and numbers are very similar). WPG fans make him out to be more than the league does. He played 2nd line minutes in WPG (3rd in minutes/game last season for WPG dmen). WPG doesn't have to give him away, but the return from any team isn't going to be close to what the fans make him out to be.

If he had team control for multiple years, you'd end up getting more. Brandon Montour is a great example, he returned a late 1st and a B prospect, but had 2 years left on his current deal @ 3.3m, and is an RFA at the end. The pick that ANA will get will be between 27-31 (the better of either SJS or STL). What's the difference between 27 and 35? Especially if another 2nd round pick is involved, plus a similar level prospect. WPG needs picks badly, as they've traded away a bunch the last few seasons.

But Trouba is a UFA next season, and will cost 7.0+ on a 5-8 year deal. Very different value stream.
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May 15, 2019 at 7:36 p.m.
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That's because Hronek in 46 games he had 23pts and P/60 numbers were almost identical to Trouba plus he's younger and less expensive. That was in the first time he was called up so why would Detroit make that trade when it's possible Hronek might be better a better player.


That's fair, but 50 point top pairing RHD aren't exactly worthless and you know what Trouba is at this point.
Ya never know Hronek could drop off a cliff next season.
May 15, 2019 at 7:55 p.m.
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No one is giving up an early 1st round pick for Trouba. The 3 beat writers that did the article for The Athletic (including the WPG beat writer) had Lindstrom, and the 35OA for Trouba, with a conditional 2nd if Trouba extends. They did say throw in Green retained to give WPG an asset back to fill the hole short term (especially with a top of the line F core, they are still SCF contenders).

Trouba isn't a 1D. He played sheltered minutes in WPG, and scored a bunch of the power play. He is an offensive defenceman. He's a bigger Brian Rafalski (who's metrics and numbers are very similar). WPG fans make him out to be more than the league does. He played 2nd line minutes in WPG (3rd in minutes/game last season for WPG dmen). WPG doesn't have to give him away, but the return from any team isn't going to be close to what the fans make him out to be.

If he had team control for multiple years, you'd end up getting more. Brandon Montour is a great example, he returned a late 1st and a B prospect, but had 2 years left on his current deal @ 3.3m, and is an RFA at the end. The pick that ANA will get will be between 27-31 (the better of either SJS or STL). What's the difference between 27 and 35? Especially if another 2nd round pick is involved, plus a similar level prospect. WPG needs picks badly, as they've traded away a bunch the last few seasons.

But Trouba is a UFA next season, and will cost 7.0+ on a 5-8 year deal. Very different value stream.


You're wrong about a couple things.
He's a 1D on many teams but he's by no means an elite one.
Trouba really isn't an offensive defenseman and it's literally astounding that he somehow managed to get 50 points and I can assure you he's nothing like Rafalski was, Rafalski was a true offensive defenseman whereas Trouba is more of a shutdown 2-way dman.
When both Buff and Morrissey were out with injuries Trouba was given the 1st unit PP point man/QB duties and he was terrible at it, he sunk the powerplay and imo I think it was a big part of Laine's slump, Trouba struggled to pivot and dish the puck over to Laine to one time it, it was mostly Trouba just passing it back and forth with Wheeler and Wheeler would have to try and make a perfect seam pass to try to get the puck through to Laine.
You're right about the likely return for him that it wont be that great and that Jets fans really tend to overvalue him, I really don't think the rest of the league thinks as highly of him as Jets fans, Chevy and Trouba himself do.
 
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