Apr 3, 2017
Detroit Red Wings
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Jeff Carter is not a HHOFer. His .71PPG would be one of the lowest for an F in the HHOF in the modern era. He has never won any major individual awards (Rocket, Ross, etc). He's got 2 cups, but outside of that, his comparables are Thomas Vanek (not a HHOF), Michel Goulet (not a HHOF), and Zach Parise (probably not a HHOF either). If winning cups got you into the HHOF, Esa Tikkanen has a higher PPG, and has 5 cups, and he's not a HHOF either. Eddie Olczyk has a higher PPG, and a cup, and isn't a HHOF either. David Krejci has a higher PPG, is younger, is on pace to play way more than 1000 games, multiple cups, is he a HHOF? <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>I agree Mantha will be over $7M. If AA and Fabbri continue to produce they will get more.
I'd much rather give up Helm for a 4th instead of LGD. I think they could resign Howard but it will be probably be 1yr but some where between $2M - $3M. That's because he has said he doesn't want to leave Detroit.</div></div>
You guys are probably right on Mantha, though it doesn't affect this scenario very much, as they still have $16mm+ left in cap space. I think AA gets a bridge deal (unless he really takes off), and Fabbri is finally not hurt after years of getting hurt, so I'm not sure he commands much more than my estimate. He may take a 1 year prove-it deal, stay healthy, and cash in after that.
I expect all three AHL guys to make the roster, because 1) Svech will have to (he's waiver eligible next year), they'll need a C with Glendening gone (Ras), and I'm predicting that Zadina keeps up this pace (basically graduating). This will also help drive down the average age, along with replicating what Stevie Y did with Tampa.
Now, if they get the #1/#2 pick, maybe something changes (as LaFreniere and Byfield both are expected to graduate immediately)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pinslack</b></div><div>Interesting read as a non wing fan!
Simple question : do you see the light at the end of the tunnel? It will be a hard year for wings fan, and my guess is next year too. When will Wings could hope for a playoffs spot?</div></div>
WARNING: Long answer to short question.
The veteran churn is going to dictate the speed of the rebuild. Anyone complaining about the team's performance this year had their expectations WAY out of line, they are exactly who everyone thought they were. They were supposed to be bad, and they are. They need more talent, and being bad this year will help. I think with all the tinkering, Stevie is already figuring out ways to clean up this mess, get younger (though not rushing prospects), and return some of the pride back.
Who goes at the end of the year? You can expect Daley, Ericsson, and Green to be gone (and maybe 1 or 2 of them in February). But, are any of the prospects worth graduating? Hicketts got called up this morning, what does DET have in him (he's played really well at GR this year so far, and hasn't look that out of place with his previous DET stints)? Does Seider graduate after this year? What about Kaski? Lindstrom? There is 2 open spots on D next year.
Who goes on the F side? Does a Stanley Cup contender that needs bottom 6 help come calling for Glendening (who is winning faceoffs at 55% this year)? Does someone make a deal for Helm (both Glendening and Helm would need some type of retention)? Is de la Rose worth keeping (as a 4th liner at 950k, so far yes, for at least 1 more year), or does he get moved at the deadline? And then who graduates? Zadina should (he's been very snakebitten, but his engagement is way up, along with his defensive play). Ras has looked great at C in GR, and probably is close to graduating next year. What about Smith and Svech? Turgeon and Kuffner? And Pearson looks like he may be something too. That's 7 Fs that potentially need room (not counting Veleno, who may need a little bit of time on the 200ft game). There isn't 7 spots available in DET next year yet.
If they land a top 2 pick (I lean Byfield over Laferniere, I value Cs more), then it could definitely jumpstart the rebuilding. Imagine these lines:
Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Zadina - Byfield - AA
Hirose - Ras - Erne
Smith - de la Rose - Perlini
Cholo - Hronek
DDK - Seider
Nemeth - Bowey
Next season they compete: 2021-2022
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>butterbean91</b></div><div>I agree. This years a write off which is fine. Hopefully the NHL gifts us a top 3 pick for once, like bigger market teams Chicago and New York magically did last year. Lafrienere is the cream of the crop. If we don't get 1st I agree Byfield would look pretty good behind Larkin. Perfetti could be a good player too almost Patrick Kane-esque. Trade Green hes looked horrible. Svech has impressed me with his small sample size, looks confident out there.</div></div>
The reason why I'm leaning Byfield is Stanley Cup contenders tend to have 2 very high end/elite Cs (TOR, TBL, PIT, BOS, STL, WSH, WPG - not necessarily a perfect science with EDM, but still). LW are a little easier to find (not a knock against Lafrienere). Cs and Dmen always carry more weight on teams, they have the puck more than wingers, and have more responsibility.