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Created by: dzad96

Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 5, 2019

Published: Jun. 5, 2019

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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2 things:

1) I don't think Marner is getting offersheeted. Even if he does, the Leafs will match, UNLESS:
2) He gets offersheeted an insane contract, 10.5+ for 5-7 years, in which case the cost would be 4 first round picks, in which case the Leafs might have to let him go.

So, what would the Leafs roster look like if Marner was offersheeted and gone, and the Leafs got 4 1st round picks instead?

Before I get roasted remember I think this is a very hypothetical scenario which is most likely never going to happen anyways.
Given the hypothetical nature of this post I'm also going to make 2 assumptions, based on recent reports:
1) Marleau gets moved, Kings and AZ have been rumored to be interested.
2) Zaitsev gets moved, and for a decent price. Apparently Zaitsev is "drawing considerable interest around the league"

After the Marleau and Zaitsev moves, Leafs had 18.5 Mil in cap space to work with, doors wide open for lots of possibilities.

After the Spurgeon trade there was 11 Mil in cap space to play with.

Maybe instead of signing Karlsson:
- Panarin
- Gardiner
- Skinner
- Nyquist
- etc

They'd sign someone with the 11 mil worth of cap space after the moves I outlined, not necessarily Karlsson, just threw him in there because he'd be the sexiest option.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Johnsson, Andreas		2	$2,750,000
Kapanen, Kasperi		3	$2,500,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Ennis, Tyler	2	$1,250,000
Karlsson, Erik	7	$10,500,000
McElhinney, Curtis	1	$1,111,111

Trades

TOR

2019 1st round pick (PHI)
2020 1st round pick (PHI)
2021 1st round pick (PHI)

Additional Details:

2022 1st round pick (PHI)

PHI

Marner, Mitchell [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Could be anyone. Saw a Philly AGM doing it the most recently.

TOR

Hossa, Marián

Additional Details:

Obvious here for the Leafs side, they get cap relief through LTIR.

ARI

Marleau, Patrick

Additional Details:

I think this might actually make sense for both teams, AZ gets a guy who helps them get above the cap floor even more than Hossa does, and he's owed very minimal amount of actual dollars, and he can actually play for them in a third or fourth line role and mentor some kids, unlike Hossa is able to.

TOR

Pearson, Tanner

VAN

Zaitsev, Nikita

Additional Details:

Been seeing reports Vancouver is interested in Zaitsev. This deal is contingent on them actually wanting him, not just taking him as "a favor" (meaning they're not looking for an additional asset in return for taking him)

TOR

Spurgeon, Jared

Additional Details:

Contingent on Spurgeon signing an extension, say 6.75 X 6 years.

MIN

Johnsson, Andreas
2020 1st round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Johnson might actually sign for more money, doesn't really matter for the sake of this trade. MIN only accepts if they don't think they can resign him before next offseason.

TOR

2019 3rd round pick (NYI)

EDM

Brown, Connor

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2019
2020
2021

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,000,000	$82,893,310	$0	$215,000	$106,690

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kapanen, Kasperi $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW UFA - 3	Matthews, Auston $11,634,000$11,634,000 C UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 5
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 6	Bracco, Jeremy $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) RW UFA - 1
	Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000$4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Moore, Trevor $775,000$775,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Pearson, Tanner $3,750,000$3,750,000 LW UFA - 2	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000$675,000 C UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Ennis, Tyler $1,250,000$1,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Spurgeon, Jared $5,187,500$5,187,500 RD NMC UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 1	Karlsson, Erik $10,500,000$10,500,000 RD UFA - 8
Rosén, Calle $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 2	Dermott, Travis $863,333$863,333 LD/RD UFA - 1	McElhinney, Curtis $1,111,111$1,111,111 G UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Holl, Justin $675,000$675,000 RD UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Petan, Nicolas $775,000$775,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2		Hossa, Marián $5,275,000$5,275,000 RW NMC UFA - 2
Marchment, Mason $767,500$767,500 ($132,500$132K) LW, RW UFA - 1

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:29 p.m.

NicholasM2699

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What about trading him to a team with a solid young star in return that they can sign to cheaper? Raantanen, Werenski, etc.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

dzad96

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Quoting: NicholasM2699

What about trading him to a team with a solid young star in return that they can sign to cheaper? Raantanen, Werenski, etc.

Haha yeah... https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1192184 I tried that already, did not get popular reviews by the CapFriendly faithful.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.

Laudan

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It starts with 1st 2020

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.

dzad96

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.

Fair enough, but at least Marleau can actually play. This applies the same logic as when the Blue Jackets traded Horton to the Leafs for Clarkson about 5 ish years ago. Both were bad contracts but at least Clarkson could physical suit up and play at the time.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.

dzad96

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Quoting: Laudan

It starts with 1st 2020

I know, but only 2019, 2020, and 2021 are available on AGM for trading.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:35 p.m.

dzad96

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

wanna know who's owed way less salary than Marleau? Like less than 20% of Marleau's money? Marian Hossa.

Also Hossa is owed 1 million in actual dollars for two more years (total of 2 million)
After July first Marleau is only owed 1.25 million actuall dollars, so they would save 750,000 in cash. Nice try tho.

Man every post on here you just hate on. No matter what. Look into it before you criticize.

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Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:43 p.m.

hero9154

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Arizona is already well above the cap floor so that would not be a reason for them to take on the Marleau contract.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:43 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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Quoting: dzad96

Hossa's contract is 80% insured. Yotes pay 200K per year. It was a good try, because I know what I'm talking about.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:47 p.m.

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rangersandislesfan

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How does LTIR work? Can you put Horton and Hossa on LTIR and save the full cap hit? If you can, why can't Arizona?

Jun. 5, 2019 at 4:49 p.m.

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dzad96

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

How does LTIR work? Can you put Horton and Hossa on LTIR and save the full cap hit? If you can, why can't Arizona?

Arizona can, problem is they still have to pay those guys the actual money, it just doesn't count against the cap. And for a poor team like Arizona who doesn't spend money that's a problem. For rich teams like Toronto, Montreal, NYR, etc, it is not an issue.

For example Toronto would be comfortable spending 10 million on guys who don't play for their team, where as Arizona would not.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 5:27 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: dzad96

The vast majority of nhl contracts are insured. Just like hossas

Jun. 5, 2019 at 5:34 p.m.

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dzad96

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

The vast majority of nhl contracts are insured. Just like hossas

Fair enough, my point that you quoted above still stands. Regardless wether its 5 million or 500,000 money is money, especially to cheap owners or teams with low budgets.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 5:41 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: dzad96

Fair enough, my point that you quoted above still stands. Regardless wether its 5 million or 500,000 money is money, especially to cheap owners or teams with low budgets.

Hossa gets paid waaaaaay less than Marleau even after the bonus

Jun. 5, 2019 at 5:43 p.m.

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dzad96

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Hossa gets paid waaaaaay less than Marleau even after the bonus

Not talking about Hossa and Marleau anymore. It's a general example explaining the previously discussed point of why teams like Toronto are more comfortable with guys on LTIR than teams like Arizona typically are.

Jun. 5, 2019 at 6:42 p.m.

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slickers

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this is a great thread dzad, thank you for stimulating my mind, others like to be cavemen and prefer not to philosophize the thoughts, umm 25....
I don't think it will ever happen, but it is something worth of thought rather than the other junk on here.
thanks again

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