Quoting: csick
Probably the 15th plus a medium prospect. Probably also the value for Ghost
Define medium prospect. Primeau isn't high on my list - he's obviously talented yes, but Edmonton already has 3 goalie prospects that project to have NHL roles in some capacity - and Juulsen has some intrigue but in a position where Edmonton is also about to have a logjam.
Again, Suzuki was the focal point of a return, and I'd be perfectly fine downgrading the pick in order to acquire him.
Quoting: Rixy17
I doubt the MTL trade works out, so Newhook at 15 might be out of the question. As for Broberg... I wouldnt suggest wanting him. Hes got a 2nd pair ceiling, and is likely the 4th or 5th best Dman in the class. Top 10 is Byram and the rest Forwards, so I would suggest either taking a winger(Boldy, Zegras, Caufield) or trade down to 10-14 range and pick up Soderstrom or Seider.
A lot of agencies have him ranked in their top-10 and have been notoriously correct in the past. A lot of Hedman comparisons, but the trick would be a matter of development. Development hasn't been the Oilers strong suit over the past forever, but lately, they've given prospects drafted outside of the 1st Round the necessary runway to become what they were projected to be. They've just gone and added Holland to that ideology. I doubt development is about to be as sore of a spot for the franchise as it used to be.
Broberg is a phenomenal skater: that's one of the hardest parts of his trade. Everything else can be taught and practiced. I wouldn't sleep on him, but I do agree that it's hard to justify him over some of the forwards available.
Quoting: F50marco
I think and I know this rubs Oiler fans the wrong way but Klefbom is overrated on here by many. DISCALIMER: HE IS STILL A GOOD PLAYER AND I WOULD TAKE HIM ON MY TEAM FOR SURE. But my goodness other than that one year where he actually stayed healthy and he actually put up 30+ points, he hasn't done anything to warrant this over exaggeration of his value.
If Klefbom is worth a lottery pick (albeit the worst one) and a prospect like Suzuki (drafted high in the first round recently and by all accounts has dominated juniors every year). What would Seth Jones be worth? What would Morgan Reilly be worth? Five 1st rounders and Kappo Kakko?
Hey if some team pays that return for Klefbom, good for you guys! I just can't fathom any team paying the price for a decent good young player but by all accounts one that hasn't done all that much is his career thus far and he is 26 years old in July. Not 21. His statistical best years are closing in on him fast.
Now to answer your question, if Suzuki is your goal, i'd rather search elsewhere and see what else i could get for him. Looking at what EDM would probably want/need, i'd offer prospects like Primeau (one of the better goalie prospects in hockey), Juulsen (a young unproven former 1st round pick RHD) and a future 1st in 2020. But that is based on EDM wanting picks and prospects only for Klefbom. It would be a whole different offer if they wanted ready now talent. Probably a winger like Tatar if that were the case.
I find your assessment on Klefbom fair, I'm just concerned that you're putting all of your assessment of him into games played and production. Comparable defencemen on the UFA market would be earning near double what he is, and I know that his contract on it's own carries value. It's not something that should totally sway the deal in Edmonton's favour, but with contracts Montreal has coming up, it carries some lucrative value. Was I overly ambitious with the initial ask? For sure, but with Evans and Poehling coming up through the system, is the loss of Suzuki still to large a burden? Primeau and Juulsen, while players I too would want on my team, aren't filling immediate needs for the Oilers: Edmonton has 3 netminders with varying degree of NHL projection between them and the addition of Miller and Persson gives Edmonton a comfortable logjam at RD before looking at Bouchard and Berglund. Forwards would be the ask here: Suzuki's handedness, position, and the need to roll 3 top-6 equivalent lines in order to contend in today's NHL make him incredibly attractive.
Does downgrading the 15th Pick to a 2nd or 3rd Round Pick make the deal easier to stomach? Should Edmonton look to add something? Does this deal go through with Nurse > Klefbom?
And to answer your question regarding Jones/Reilly, if offer sheets weren't considered so taboo among GMs, and should either player be eligible to sign one right now, would they be worth 4 1sts? I'd argue no, but the tier immediately below (two firsts, a second, and a third) is awfully enticing.
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