Toews price would be considerably higher than what fans are hoping Leddy can bring back. He's young, under team control and very very good. He's the only Islander that can compare to Leddy in skating ability and has above average offensive potential. Pelech was very good this season too and since his contract is so much lower than Leddy's he'd bring in a considerable haul as well. I can almost guarantee Toews is virtually untouchable. Seems as if the dmen they would trade are LD- Leddy, Hickey and Mayfield(RD)

Toews is our Leddy replacement once he gets traded. Trotz loves him. Wanted to keep Toews on the team out of camp last season..not going anywhere. Hickey could be had. Pelly is cheap can't see him being dealt

Very informative. Thanks! So from what I gather Toews is basically a no go (fair enough). Pelech could be had at the right price, but his price is inflated for what he brings due to a great contract. Am I off?

As I said this is just hypothetically speaking. If they were a scenario that Lou just isn't getting the offers he's hoping for for Leddy (you NYI fans can't always be spoiled with Hamonic type deals lol), and he decides to keep him. You all seem pretty convinced he's gone though...

I think it's the worst kept secret that Lou is shopping Leddy and Hickey. There should definitely be interested in Leds. Young, good skater, puck mover with some term left. A package of picks/prospects or a top-6 forward isn't out of the question.

Pretty much right on Pelech. I wouldn't trade him for a mid round pick. Maybe Andrew Shaw straight up? Honestly not sure how much he's valued in Montreal. I could see him as 3RW and a PK guy

Hi blazingbat, I think your order is right. It's about marginal value, and getting a top 4 d for $700k, $1.6m, $2m provides great marginal value (value over what it would cost to sign a similar player). Now, jury is out on Mayfield as top 4, but hes at least an elite 5/6 on a great contract. That's why isles fans are asking for kapanen for Mayfield, on talent alone its lopsided but factor in contracts and it's much more even.

The discussion on toews or pulock realistically starts with someone like domi plus Suzuki and a pick. (I think kotkaniemi is too much, but not out of the question). Or, take on salary (ladd, boychuk, komarov, clutterbuck) and keep domi. Something like that.

As for leddy, I would say he is pretty adequately paid for a 3/4 lhd (so little marginal value), has term, and still can skate. I'd say high end is a mid 1st or b+ prospect, floor would be high 2nd. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle (2 2nds?). That's probably the reason for all the proposed leddy trades, it just seems most realistic.

That could be a possibility. Lots of Shaw speculation going around that's for sure, but Bergevin has always been high on the guy and the fact he found chemistry with Domi this past season (and getting 47pts in 63games), not sure he gets moved. If you're looking for someone of similar age to Pelech to play 3RW an PK, Lehkonen would probably be a better fit, Plays both RW/LW, 100% better PK guy than Shaw (doesn't take stupid penalties either), and still moved up in the top 6 a certain times of the season. Picks might have to be added to offset the difference in value between a Dman and a winger. But there could be something there!

I agree with your Leddy assessment. Thumbs up!

However, the ask of Domi + Suzuki + a pick is absolutely bonkers lol Domi had more points than Barzal this past season! Suzuki is a top tier prospect!. We are talking about the same Toews...right?

I'm not sure that was my ask (more a reflection on marginal value), but toews is looked at as top pair d. Top pair d making $700k are extremely rare. You'd need to pay severely for him.

Ranger fan so I'm not an Islander expert but I've seen lots of games on tv. They have such good young defensemen on their roster, plus Dobson and Wilde. If I were them I'd hang on to them. Trade Leddy and Hickey, and eventually Boychuk too.

I don’t think either of them are for sale, it would have to be Leddy or Hickey.

But because this is just a “what if” sort of thing, I’d say a 2nd rounder for each of them. Neither are amazing on their own, but fit into the Isles’ system really well.

@joshelkin or any other Isles fan for that matter!

What about Aho? Whats the deal with him? He available? 46pts in 67 AHL games is quite good, surprised I'm not hearing more about him.

Phew!! that sounds more reasonable. Seeing "the conversation for Toews starts with Domi + Suzuki + a pick" had me spooked lol I agree the priority will be to move Leddy and Hickey first (not sure if Hickey is worth anything substantial though). But the idea I'm getting from this thread is if MTL were actually having trade discussions with NYI, the focus (from the Habs perspective) should be on someone like Pelech. Would still cost a pretty penny (a 2nd in value for sure, + an incentive), but wouldn't break the bank (like Leddy would.... I have no interest in moving 15th overall for him, and I don't think Bergevin would move someone like Tatar)

Victor Mete is good like Toews, so Victor Mete vs Barzal Wahlstrom + a pick

@Blazingbat11

Aho is solid. Had a little run in the NHL two seasons ago because of injuries on the left side. I think he's an NHL level player but is stuck behind the log jam on LD. If/when one of Leddy/Hickey get traded (maybe both?) I think it's reasonable to expect Aho as our 7th D. He could also be had in a trade

Pelech has been really solid this year, but he’s also had some really solid partners, like Ryan Pulock, who I personally like more than Petry and is getting pretty close to the level of Shea Weber. I don’t know how well Pelech would be outside of New York, because ask any Islanders fan how he was before Trotz came in and you’ll get a bunch of angry answers.

As for Toews, I just can’t see the Isles moving him, he’s done everything right since his call up and I could see him in the top-4 at some point. So while he’s probably only worth a second round pick, he brings so much to our blueline that I think right now he’s just untouchable.

One guy I saw mentioned in this thread was Sebastian Aho, who I think could absolutely be available if Montréal called. Dude was a stud in the AHL this year and played in the NHL last year. I’d say he’s obtainable, but it’s hard to judge his value, but I would imagine he’s very similar to Toews