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Sharks trade Prospects for Kapanen and Horton as Leafs Make Room for Marner

Created by: CheechYou
Initial Creation Date: Jul 18, 2019
Published: Jul 18, 2019 at 3:34
Team: 2019-20 San Jose Sharks
Team Explanation
Suomela's a young Finnish prospect half the league coveted before SJ signed him. Has middle-six center upside.

Gregor's a young 20yr old center with bottom-six center upside. Sharks have a lot of competition at center and could use a different opportunity with the Russian and Swedish SJ infiltration.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Thornton, Joe1$1,750,000
Marleau, Patrick1$950,000
Trades
SJS
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Horton, Nathan
TOR
  1. Suomela, Antti
  2. Gregor, Noah
Buyouts
  • Paul Martin: $1,416,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Brenden Dillon: $1,635,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
SJS
PHI
SJS
OTT
PIT
WSH
2021
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2022
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,282,417$660,750$0$217,583
Left WingCenterRight Wing
SJS
Meier, Timo
$6,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 4
SJS
Couture, Logan
$8,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 8
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
SJS
Kane, Evander
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
Marleau, Patrick
$950,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Thornton, Joe
$1,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
SJS
Gambrell, Dylan
$700,000
C
RFA - 2
SJS
Sörensen, Marcus
$1,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
SJS
Goodrow, Barclay
$925,000
LW
UFA - 2
SJS
Karlsson, Melker
$2,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
SJS
Dillon, Brenden
$1,635,000
LD
UFA - 1
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
$11,500,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 8
SJS
Jones, Martin
$5,750,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
SJS
Simek, Radim
$675,000
LD
UFA - 1
SJS
Burns, Brent
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6
SJS
Dell, Aaron
$1,900,000
G
UFA - 1
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
$7,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
SJS
Heed, Tim
$960,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
SJS
Prout, Dalton
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
SJS
Radil, Lukas
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Jul 18, 2019 at 3:39
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Suomela is older than Kapenen. Fairly significantly and can barely be called a prospect. The other guy seems okay. Not enough though.

Besides I doubt the Leafs move Kapanen. They have enough space for marner.
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Jul 18, 2019 at 3:40
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Quoting: BCAPP
Suomela is older than Kapenen. Fairly significantly and can barely be called a prospect. The other guy seems okay. Not enough though.

Besides I doubt the Leafs move Kapanen. They have enough space for marner.


The point of getting Horton along with Kapanen is that the value going back will be decreased by a bit too.
Jul 18, 2019 at 3:41
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Another LTIR trade which doesn't affect the Leafs for San Jose cap.
Jul 18, 2019 at 3:43
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Quoting: CheechYou
The point of getting Horton along with Kapanen is that the value going back will be decreased by a bit too.


The Leafs get no benefit from the sharks taking him.

A 25 year old is barely a prospect. Kapanen is 22 (23 next week).

Besides the Leafs just locked him up and don't need to trade him. And if they did it would be for d help
Jul 18, 2019 at 3:47
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Quoting: BCAPP
The Leafs get no benefit from the sharks taking him.

A 25 year old is barely a prospect. Kapanen is 22 (23 next week).

Besides the Leafs just locked him up and don't need to trade him. And if they did it would be for d help


1) There's 5.3 million beneficial reasons for the Sharks to take on Horton for the Leafs. Most ppl are so entirely dismissive of this reality of a business, it's mind-boggling.

2) It's still a prospect if the player is transitioning from overseas play to the smaller rink and more physical play of the NHL. Takes a year or two.
Jul 18, 2019 at 3:50
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Quoting: CheechYou
1) There's 5.3 million beneficial reasons for the Sharks to take on Horton for the Leafs. Most ppl are so entirely dismissive of this reality of a business, it's mind-boggling.

2) It's still a prospect if the player is transitioning from overseas play to the smaller rink and more physical play of the NHL. Takes a year or two.


1) I suppose. But the Leafs have shown zero interest in trying to save money in this way, and instead used their finances to take advantage in the opposite situation. Also it's 3.6 million

2) he is in his prime. It's as simple as that. If he needs time to get used to the north american ice he is wasting prime years doing it.
Jul 18, 2019 at 4:03
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Edited Jul 19, 2019 at 12:26
Quoting: BCAPP
1) Also it's 3.6 million

2) he is in his prime. It's as simple as that. If he needs time to get used to the north american ice he is wasting prime years doing it.


1) Thanks, didn’t check to see how much exactly Horton’s getting paid for his last year.

2) He's not wasting his prime years. He led the entire Finnish league in scoring in 2017-18. He has spent one year transitioning to the NA rink. He's ready to assume a 3rd-line center role in the NHL right now at just 25yrs old. He's just approaching his prime.
Jul 19, 2019 at 12:27
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Jul 19, 2019 at 2:53
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Quoting: CheechYou
1) There's 5.3 million beneficial reasons for the Sharks to take on Horton for the Leafs. Most ppl are so entirely dismissive of this reality of a business, it's mind-boggling.


The Leafs just paid like 8 million dollars in signing bonuses to guys that won't play for the team next year (Zaitsev/Kadri/Brown). Dubas does not care about Horton, and MLSE won't even bother.
Jul 19, 2019 at 3:11
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Quoting: Matthews34
The Leafs just paid like 8 million dollars in signing bonuses to guys that won't play for the team next year (Zaitsev/Kadri/Brown). Dubas does not care about Horton, and MLSE won't even bother.


That's my point though. There's a quota for these sort of things. Some organizations are extra stingy (i.e. Sens), while others such as the Leafs are less so given their following and income, but even they look out to save whenever possible with these things.
Jul 19, 2019 at 4:01
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Quoting: CheechYou
That's my point though. There's a quota for these sort of things. Some organizations are extra stingy (i.e. Sens), while others such as the Leafs are less so given their following and income, but even they look out to save whenever possible with these things.


There has just been absolutely zero indication with any of the Leafs moves for years, that they care about the salaries of the players. And they surely have no history of losing a trade to move salary. It's 100% about the cap hit for the Leafs, and Horton has no effect on the cap. He's not a negative or positive value for us. He's just there.
 
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