So Skinner is worth 9 million dollars but Marner isn’t?

No not at all lol. Skinner was overpaid, but goals get you paid more in general. Want to see the best contract comparable for Mitch? Look who scores more, but also puts up similar points as a centre without a superstar like JT.
Aho---------- 0.29/0.60 - 0.37/0.83 - 0.37/1.01
Marner----- 0.25/0.79 - 0.27/0.84 - 0.32/1.15

I think he’d be looking at 9-10 million. Honestly if he really asked for that amount, I doubt you would hear anyone b*tching that he’s not worth the money like you do with Marner, who plays with Tavares and not Crosby.

Believe me, that would also be the mother of all overpays.

Aho plays on a team with a lot of very fair contracts. He was originally looking for 9-10 million per season. Marner on the hand, plays on a team where Matthews, Tavares and Nylander are all making more than they deserve. Plus Marner has more raw talent than Aho, that shouldn’t be disputed against.

Nice ego trip.....fitting along 8 x 13M demand......after 69 and 63 seasons

Everything is the best in TML-land, i know.....sorry for expressing any kind of doubt....

Wheres Kadri, i remember you flaked me with your "knowledge" how he will be Leaf for lifetime......

MR had 70 points last year. As a defenseman. SPEZZA is making leauge min to get 20+ points.
Gibson is a top 3 goalie in the league. I would say price and Fleury are ahead of him. You are telling me 5 million for a top 7 goalie in the league isn't good enough because he isn't the second best goalie in the league.

Not really. He has 25 career playoff goals and 50 points. Won 2 cups, plus had a 78 point season. If Guentzel actually got paid 9-10 million, you Leaf fans would be chirping about how Marner doesn’t deserve that because he plays with Tavares, a better play driver than Crosby!

I literally just broke down how Matthews wasn't overpaid compared to other similar players (Stamkos being the prime example).
Nylander was roughly overpaid by 500k. He should have been 6@6.5, which when compared to the fact that he had the longest holdout in cap history is fine and not a huge deal.
Just incase you missed it:
Matthews-- 0.49/0.84 - 0.55/1.02 - 0.54/1.07
Kane--------- 0.26/0.88 - 0.31/0.88 - 0.37/1.07
Stammer--- 0.29/0.58 - 0.62/1.16 - 0.55/1.11
All signed for 5 years and only 3% less % wise (and all signed in another era of paying RFA's).

Aho was asking for 5@9 or 8@9.5 I believe (for sure the first one). That ask is only a touch overpaid his intrinsic value.

And what team you play has no affect on your comparables lol. The only thing the team you play on affects is how important you are to them (increasing the price).

Tavares had almost 50 goals, and had the free agent tax paid on him. Nylander is making the perfect amount. Matthews is overpaid by 500k, but is a center and scores better now than Makinnon did at the same age.

I never said he would be a life time Leaf. I said he should walk into UFA. Dubas went out and got a fantastic return for him, which is fine. It also has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

And doubt isn't the issue, the problem is criticising the GM and/or team based entirely on falsehoods.

Matthews signed a comparable contract in line with both term and money regarding the new system of not underpaying the young guys.

I want to make it clear that nothing you said here is actually a refutation of anything I said. The Matthews deal seemed steep and undertermed at first, but when you actually look into the facts, we should have expected it. It is in line with his comparables.

Also f*** @Capitalfail67 for having 67 in their name

9-10 million is so much. I think max would be around 8.5. I get he's been dominant in playoffs and had a fantastic regular season, but its hard to justify anything over 8.5 million

My comparable for Auston Matthews is Evgeni Malkin. In 2009-10 when Malkin signed his five year 8.7 million dollar AAV contract following the expiry of his entry level deal, the salary cap was 56.7 million, 1.437% less than today’s cap hit which is what Matthews signed. Malkin’s deal at the time would’ve been worth 12.5 million dollars today. I would argue that Malkin at the time was better than Matthews is right now, considering Malkin at the time his entry level deal expired had already won a scoring title and playoff MVP, plus had a points per game average of 1.19 in the dead tree defenseman era. Malkin’s most frequent linemate was Sykora, a less talented winger than Matthews’ frequent linemate. The difference between Malkin’s value and Matthew’s current value should be way bigger than just 900K. The maximum Matthews should’ve made was 11 million.

This is just assertion not based on anything. Crosby is still better than JT and Matthews lol (Crosby is also a stats darling and drives a line better than JT anyway).
I also had no idea JG had a 76 point season, but that was AFTER his contract was signed. That is very much important.

And JG at 9-10 is still a huge overpayment.

You have seen it in the past with fourth line players such as Bryan Bickell and Dave Bolland get 4 million and 5.5 million respectively following their multiple playoff runs, so it’s not unreasonable to think that Jake Guentzel, a legit top line winger wasn’t going to demand premium money in today’s market.

So in your logic you're complaining about a 600k overpay on a young star as if it is the end of the world?
Talk about mountains out of mole hills lol.

All of those deals were seen as bat**** insane though.

Steve dangle on the Bolland deal: "YOU'RE ON DRUGS!"

My point is he didn’t leave money on the table to help the team win.

I know, but that’s the point. Players who have big playoff runs tend to get overpaid. Look at Nick Bonino.

That is fine. You don't need to leave money on the table and you shouldn't be expected to. The problem comes when you demand WAY more than you're worth like in Marner's case or Nylander's ask of 8.5aav.

Hell the only reason I am not cheering for these players to get every penny is that we cheer for laundry and not players lol. As fans we should always want a player to be FAIRLY paid.

I agree, that doesn't mean it is a fair contract or that a GM should go and overpay them, or even be fine with those deals in general.

I get that John Tavares got 11 million and he had every right to take the maximum amount he was offered, however I don’t believe he should’ve been offered double digits in the first place. Sidney Crosby signed his second big contract as a UFA in 2013-14 with the Penguins when the salary cap was 63.4 million, so divide that from last season’s 79 million, the cap has inflated by 1.285%. With the way the salary cap worked back then with the 15 year maximum contracts, Sid’s deal would’be been worth 11.2 million dollars AAV by the time Tavares signed his 11 million dollar AAV deal. No matter how you put it, Crosby is better than Tavares by quite a bit, if he was worth 11.2 million in 2018-19, Tavares should’ve been got 10 million maximum.

Next up is Auston Matthews. My comparable for him is Evgeni Malkin. In 2009-10 when Malkin signed his 8.7 million dollar AAV contract following the expiry of his entry level deal, the salary cap was 56.7 million, 1.437% less than today’s cap hit which is what Matthews signed. Malkin’s deal at the time would’ve been worth 12.5 million dollars today. I would argue that Matthews currently is not as good as Malkin in 2009, considering Malkin at the time his entry level deal expired had already won a scoring title and playoff MVP, plus had a points per game average of 1.19 in the dead tree defenseman era. Malkin’s most frequent linemate was Sykora, whom I would argue is less talented than Nylander who frequently pairs with Matthews. The maximum Matthews should’ve made was 11 million.

For William Nylander, his 7 million AAV isn’t bad but he still got too much. A comparable for Nylander is Gaudreau. When Johnny signed his 6.7 million AAV deal in 16-17 for the same term, the cap ceiling was 73 million, around 1.08% less than the 79 million last season. Last season his deal would’ve been worth 7.2 million AAV. That’s only 300k more value than Nylander’s contract. Gaudreau had 1 season with 64 points & another with 80 points. His centre was Monahan, who is excellent but he’s not as talented as Matthews,yet Nylander only managed 61 points as a career high, therefore his maximum AAV for the 6 year term should’ve been 6.25 million.

To be clear, San Jose offered JT 7@13. JT took a discount to come to Toronto.
Crosby's contract is literally illegal today, and would be 12.5aav if he were paid the same money on the max term.

But all I see are Leaf fans complaining about why Mitch Marner isn’t willing to take a discount like 6-7 million dollars to help the team win. After both Matthews and Nylander’s refusal to do so, they shouldn’t be surprised that Marner is going the same route.