Is this a joke that MTL trade ?
If not, Mtl will trade you a 7th for Alexeyev

Orlov is a top pairing dman and eller is a solid 3rd line center

Mete is a solid young prospect and Danault is a solid 2-3 center.

Alexeyev Imo is worth more than mete. I also said if mete seemed too steep swap him for Juulsen and a pick. But I assume you didn’t read.

Actually no it’s not a joke. Orlov is the best player in the trade. I assume you are a fan that completely overvalued your youth

No way they bring Holtby back. They can't afford him, the next season you have Ovi and Vrana to sign and in this scenario Danault. Move on and hope Samsonov is ready to take the reigns.

Which would then make your trade unnecessary as well

Hey Mete just turned 21 yo already played 2 seasons top pairing minutes, we wont trade him for an older guy in Orlov. Danault will be trade because we got too many centers. Kotkaniemi Poehling Suzuki Evans Vejdemo Oloffson Ikonen Hillis we got hundreds of centers.

Seems like the caps gm really wants to keep Holtby and if we had to we could trade samsonov to Seattle to take a cap dump or something along those lines.

He played top minutes for the habs..... that’s hardly impressive.... he is bottom pairing on a normal team maybe 2nd pairing. Either way orlov is the better player so

1) what an over reaction to this trade when the value is actually pretty fair if you remove your bias.
2) if you read the description it was for people like you who overvalue players and I said to swap him with Juulsen so please read first.
3) alexeyev will be a top pairing dman on an actual good team next year.

Danault is on a team-friendly contract and is very undervalued in this trade. IMO, he's the best player in this trade even before taking cap hit in consideration.

Trade isn't completely lopsided, but it's definitely slanted towards Washington.

IMO I wouldn't trade Samsonov. Goaltending is streaky at best and injuries can ruin everything, especially with older goalies. Just look at Schneider in NJ, great goalie who has essentially had 2 years derailed by an injury. I honestly wouldn't want to spend more than 6-7M on both goalies let alone one. Keep Samsonov, makes less money, younger, controllable, and good.

Talking about overvaluing there player, you just said Alexeyev is a top pairing D next year, lol yeah in the AHL

It’s for 1 year of Danault .....

Top pairing dmen on a good contract > 2nd or 3rd line center

Oh that’s my opinion but I’m not saying if someone offered me provorov who is an older better version I would turn it down bc I’m bias and he’s younger. That’s just dumb

Samsonov might not be who we think and look at fluery? He’s the optimistic end of this

Would you rather the 1M gamble with a couple M back up plan or the 7.5M one with no back up plan?

And Holtby was good but he never was Fleury.

Never was fluery? He won a vez and holds the record for most nhl wins in a single season? They both have 1 cup as starting goalies? That’s a bold statement. Holtby imo was way better

Also it’s all about the next 3 years. Having Holtby and samsonov limits and risk. After that idfc bc our window is closed. And everyone know that it’s better too be a bottom. 5 team that a middle of the pack Bc you get elite draft picks

I'm not sure I agree that Orlov is on a good contract, nor do I agree that is he a top-pairing defenseman. He and Niskanen both just finished rough seasons. If Orlov has a similar season to the one he just finished, then the Caps have defense problems.

Danault is one of the best defensive centers in the league. Montreal would be crazy to trade him.

I'm not a Habs fan by the way.

I mean he was one year removed from being a top pairing of a cup winning team and last year nisk lost a step and now he is traded. Hard to argue that he’s not a top pairing dman when he’s playing top dmen minutes..... rough year ? He scored 30 points in a rough year with next to none power play time? I’ll take that. He’ll be playing w Jensen next year and I bet he has a monster year but agree to disagree.

Again it’s his final year and habs have a ton of guys who should be slotting into his spot. He’s not exactly needed as dumb as that sounds.


I used this tool to compare guys. Orlov is much better than you give him credit for

https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

Orlov is much better than mete.

Yes Orlov is better than Mete, but I rather have Mete for 6-7 years than Orlov 2 years

Fair enough I would assume you’d want to win while you can bc with price only getting older and his cap hit is massive. Idk if they are in win now mode or end of rebuild

Price got another good 5 years and we got Cayden Primeau no stress. Mtl will be good for 8 years after 2019-2020

I'll let the 2018-19 Orlov media coverage speak for itself.

Do The Capitals Have A Dmitry Orlov Problem?

20 Burning Questions: Will Dmitry Orlov rebound from a rough 2018-19 season?

He played almost exclusively on the 2nd pairing with Matt Niskanen last season (80% of 5v5 ice time). That's a pretty strong indicator that he's a 2nd pairing defenseman. He's roughly equivalent to Jake Muzzin (37 points, no PP time), except Muzzin is significantly better at defense and has a $1.1M lower cap hit. No one would accuse Muzzin of being a top-line defenseman.

Media coverage? I’ll agree to disagree. And what nobody would accuse him of being a #1-2!dman ? What did Toronto pay to get him in a trade? Significantly better? Orlov and muzzlin are very close defensively. I’d say orlov is better offensively but a little and muzzlin is slightly better defensively Either way agree to disagree. Let’s say orlov and muzzlin have similar trade value.

That’s 1st and a b+ prospect. So yeah and orlov has term and is younger... just saying

Except your forgetting that Muzzin was playing the best hockey of his career at the time he was traded and Orlov just finished a career worst season. If it was last summer, then I would absolutely agree that you could probably get the same haul for Orlov that the Kings got for Muzzin. However, after the season he just had, Orlov's term is a negative not a positive, because if he continues to have seasons like the one he just had, then he'll be significantly overpaid for several more years.

Jonathan Quick had a fantastic season in 2017-18, putting up stellar numbers and winning the Jennings trophy for the Kings. He was amazing in the series against Vegas, despite the team not doing much in front of him. Fleury vs Quick was one of the best goaltending battles I have ever seen. If they traded him last year, the Kings would have been able to get a 1st round pick and more for Quick. However, he put up a stinker this year and now the Kings would have to pay to move him.

If Washington wants to get a solid return on Orlov, then they're going to have to wait and see if he rebounds, because right now his value is at an all-time low.

Seems just as good for Montreal. How has no one in Canada heard of Dimitry Orlov, yet? Over the last five years, Orlov has one more even strength point than Faulk, Weber, and Trouba (http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=1&report=skaterpoints&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20142015&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&position=D&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evPoints,points). Last year he averaged 23 minutes a night like Weber and Petry. Not 17 like Mete and Juulsen. Not 21 like Muzzin. Orlov and Niskanen played the most defensive zone starts on the '18 playoff Caps blue line that shut down Panarin, Crosby, Stamkos, and Karlsson. They each finished pretty high up on the playoff lists in hits and shots blocked. Niskanen (turning 33 in December) started slowing down with age last year. Orlov (turned 28 in July) didn't.



Good thinking! Yep. It's not all about Mete. Juulsen could be a fine #6 in WSH. But in the summer, dealing a 1st pick scares a lot of teams. What about prospects, instead? Could that make it more tempting for Montreal?



Great! If Suzuki and Poehling join Danault, Kotkaniemi, Drouin, Domi, Thompson, and Cousins, MTL has eight NHL centers this year.

Montreal might prefer to trade Danault, Evans, and Juulsen for Orlov and a 2nd, and leave Eller out of it entirely. What does Montreal need?

If that works, it lets the Caps listen to other offers on Eller, or just start the season with almost as many good centers as Montreal.