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Dubas the dummy

Created by: Johnjohn
Initial Creation Date: Sep 15, 2019
Published: Sep 15, 2019 at 11:03 am
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Sep 15, 2019 at 11:05
#1
johnjohn
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Point was offered 5.3 million on 3 year deal. He will be lucky to get 7 million for 3. This ain’t the leafs.Tampa know how to pay its players and will play hardball if they have too
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Sep 15, 2019 at 11:15
#2
The Enlightened One
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Were you not just arguing with me two nights ago that marner was fairly paid?

Boy you are a piece of work huh?
Sep 15, 2019 at 11:22
#3
Habs
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Quoting: Random2152
Were you not just arguing with me two nights ago that marner was fairly paid?

Boy you are a piece of work huh?


Fairly paid to play in Toronto in comparison to Matthews. Marner doesn't get that in TB.
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Sep 15, 2019 at 11:28
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Point was offered 5.3 million on 3 year deal. He will be lucky to get 7 million for 3. This ain’t the leafs.Tampa know how to pay its players and will play hardball if they have too


the arrogance here is just oozing
I hope TB knows how to handle it's players sitting out
Sep 15, 2019 at 12:02
#5
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johnjohn
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Quoting: Random2152
Were you not just arguing with me two nights ago that marner was fairly paid?

Boy you are a piece of work huh?


Fairly paid for Toronto because of what Mathews got .
Get with the program. Dubas overpayment to Mathews is why Marner got and deserves what he got
Tampa overpayment to nobody so they will not set themselves up like dubas did
Mitch was top scorer for the team and then expects to be paid Mathews type money
On Tampa he would get around 8 million for that contract
Plus remember I was right and you were wrong so let’s not start all this again lol
Sep 15, 2019 at 12:05
#6
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johnjohn
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Quoting: pharrow
the arrogance here is just oozing
I hope TB knows how to handle it's players sitting out

Tampa has to make him sit or take less money than Marner.
They are not a rich team like the leafs and the fan base will not care as much
5.3 for 3 years is a joke but I do see him taking 7 to 8 max for 3 years
Just my opinion though
Sep 15, 2019 at 12:08
#7
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johnjohn
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
Fairly paid to play in Toronto in comparison to Matthews. Marner doesn't get that in TB.

Yep. You see to understand it. I don’t get why others don’t
The leafs set this mess up and now they pay
Other teams don’t have to follow Toronto’s lead because so guy on cap friendly say so
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Sep 15, 2019 at 12:43
#8
BOLT LOVER
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TORONTO is the NHLs version of the Dallas Cowboys of NFL .. overpay a few people and NEVER win .. quiz of day .. last year either team even MADE it to a conference final?
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Sep 15, 2019 at 12:49
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Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
TORONTO is the NHLs version of the Dallas Cowboys of NFL .. overpay a few people and NEVER win .. quiz of day .. last year either team even MADE it to a conference final?


Don’t care about football but good comparison
Leafs been 17 years ago and won’t be back for another 17 imo
Sep 15, 2019 at 1:59
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Good luck friend.
Sep 15, 2019 at 2:53
#11
The Enlightened One
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
Fairly paid to play in Toronto in comparison to Matthews. Marner doesn't get that in TB.


That's not how contracts work
Sep 15, 2019 at 2:54
#12
The Enlightened One
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Fairly paid for Toronto because of what Mathews got .
Get with the program. Dubas overpayment to Mathews is why Marner got and deserves what he got
Tampa overpayment to nobody so they will not set themselves up like dubas did
Mitch was top scorer for the team and then expects to be paid Mathews type money
On Tampa he would get around 8 million for that contract
Plus remember I was right and you were wrong so let’s not start all this again lol


Everything about this is just a huge ****ing lol. Get over yourself. Contracts don't work like that.
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Sep 15, 2019 at 3:15
#13
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johnjohn
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Quoting: Random2152
That's not how contracts work


Says you the expert on everything. Remember how wrong you have been? Maybe you might want to re evaluate your career at cap friendly lol
Come back when you’re wrong again and tell me about it then lol
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Sep 15, 2019 at 3:17
#14
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Quoting: Random2152
Everything about this is just a huge ****ing lol. Get over yourself. Contracts don't work like that.
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Maybe tell that to dubas or the other gm.
Sep 15, 2019 at 3:22
#15
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johnjohn
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So now
Quoting: Random2152
That's not how contracts work


So you are now saying point will get 11 million for 6 years ?
Please say that. Please lol
I want to show you again you are wrong
I say Million less than Marner even though he is as good as him
Please tell me your number then
I say he will never get over 9 million and my option is it will be around 7 or 8 but definitely under 9. I said Marner was 11 because of Mathews
Tell me what your price is and then we can come back and see who is right
Sep 15, 2019 at 3:25
#16
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johnjohn
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3 years at 7.5 with 3rd year at 10 for qualifying offer
5 or 6 years at a max of 9 million
No 4 year deals because I explained before nobody will do that anymore and 7 or 8 is stupid unless a huge overpayment which Tampa won’t do
Sep 15, 2019 at 4:56
#17
Habs
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Edited Sep 15, 2019 at 5:06
Quoting: Random2152
That's not how contracts work


Different teams and management have there own philosophies on how to manage their team. An athletic article about Tampa bay specifically recently came out showing how they usually sign young guys to a cheap 3 year bridge deal and then they sign them long term afterwards.

Johnson, killorn, palat, kucherov, vasilevsky, etc.

The highest cap hit of any of those players on 3 year deals so far, Kucherov $4.766M. A lot better than paying $11M for your RFA's.

Brisebois is currently offering Point less than $6M on a 3 year deal. Tampa Bay has taxes going for them, but even with that they are doing way better than Toronto at getting players to buy in.

Honestly I have no idea what Toronto was thinking when it came to Matthews.

I have no idea why Nylander wasn't traded after pulling the stunt he did.
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Sep 15, 2019 at 5:04
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Quoting: pharrow
the arrogance here is just oozing
I hope TB knows how to handle it's players sitting out


Trade them?
Sep 15, 2019 at 5:14
#19
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johnjohn
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
Different teams and management have there own philosophies on how to manage their team. An athletic article about Tampa bay specifically recently came out showing how they usually sign young guys to a cheap 3 year bridge deal and then they sign them long term afterwards.

Johnson, killorn, palat, kucherov, vasilevsky, etc.

The highest cap hit of any of those players on 3 year deals so far, Kucherov $4.766M. A lot better than paying $11M for your RFA's.

Brisebois is currently offering Point less than $6M on a 3 year deal. Tampa Bay has taxes going for them, but even with that they are doing way better than Toronto at getting players to buy in.

Honestly I have no idea what Toronto was thinking when it came to Matthews.

I have no idea why Nylander wasn't traded after pulling the stunt he did.


Yes you understand also. These so called experts on here that post thousands of post and think they are always right have no clue what they are talking about
It makes me want to quit this site because they constantly post nonsense and then make fun of people who know what they are talking about
Good job on knowing your stuff
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Sep 23, 2019 at 2:11
#20
Habs
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Quoting: pharrow
the arrogance here is just oozing
I hope TB knows how to handle it's players sitting out


Well this aged well.
Sep 23, 2019 at 2:12
#21
Habs
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Quoting: Random2152
That's not how contracts work


This aged well.
Sep 23, 2019 at 2:17
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The Enlightened One
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
This aged well.


It has. That still isn't how contracts work lol.
And what your implying happened here very clearly isn't what happened.
Sep 23, 2019 at 4:15
#23
Habs
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Quoting: Random2152
It has. That still isn't how contracts work lol.
And what your implying happened here very clearly isn't what happened.


It is though. I straight up said TB has a history of giving out 3 year bridge contract to guys coming off of ELC's.

The point is that just because Toronto does things there way does not mean another team has to follow suit. So far Marner and Matthew's are the only RFA's who got both the term and AAV they wanted. No other team in the league is operating that way, you want less term? Ok we are lowering your AAV. You want a high AAV? Ok but we are signing you to 8 years so it is worth the investment.

Toronto failed to do that.
Sep 23, 2019 at 4:34
#24
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johnjohn
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Quoting: Random2152
Everything about this is just a huge ****ing lol. Get over yourself. Contracts don't work like that.
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Again proven completely wrong . Laughed at for saying 3 years for 7 million. What now ? Please tell us how contracts work
Sep 23, 2019 at 4:37
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johnjohn
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Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
It is though. I straight up said TB has a history of giving out 3 year bridge contract to guys coming off of ELC's.

The point is that just because Toronto does things there way does not mean another team has to follow suit. So far Marner and Matthew's are the only RFA's who got both the term and AAV they wanted. No other team in the league is operating that way, you want less term? Ok we are lowering your AAV. You want a high AAV? Ok but we are signing you to 8 years so it is worth the investment.

Toronto failed to do that.

You were correct on 3 years and I got close to what I said 7 X 3 . I don’t understand why these leafs fans think they are experts. Dubas done this to himself by giving Mathews a ridiculous overpayment. That made Marner demand the same. Everyone outside of Toronto knew dubas painted himself in a corner. The rest of the league didn’t have to follow suit.
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