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Alzner Ideas

Created by: JulHok92
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 10, 2019
Published: Oct. 10, 2019
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All of these are for Alzner. Montreal obviously need to retain salary or add picks but this is just the base. All players have 2 years remaining on their (bad) deals and are close to/make more than Alzner. This is to free up cap space for in two years for guys like Gallagher, Danault, Tatar, KK, Peohling and others. Montreal could also buyout the player they get next summer for only 2 years of salary instead of 4 for Alzner. Leave your thoughts.:)
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31$81,500,000$110,066,308$0$3,232,500-$28,566,308
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C
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
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$800,000$800,000
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UFA - 1
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 3:15 p.m.
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I'm not sure why any of these teams would bite an even bigger bullet by taking Alzner? I know you mentioned adding picks, but it would have to be something significant to get the needle to move.
-Goli and/or Demers: Both are better and still play valuable minutes.
-Backes: Might make a little bit of sense to spread the cap hit out over another year, but he's got a NTC.
-Smith and/or Staal: Smith might make sense, but Staal has a NMC. No reason to waive for Montreal.
-Allen: He's not great, but why create a big hole (Goalie that will likely provide reasonable results over a 30ish game span) to take another dman, and have him for 3 years?
-Sutter: NTC. Vancouver obviously likes him enough to give him a letter.
-Perreault: Winnipeg might be desperate for D, but there's no way they're that desperate.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 3:42 p.m.
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Think of it this way, until there is an immediate need for Alzner's cap to be used on something else, there is no need to trade him. There is no way to get Alzner off this team without it costing assets like draft pick and/or prospects.

The most realistic option is buyout next year. It'll suck as we'll get little cap relief from it in year 1 but every year after that is not very much.

I mean there is always the chance a trade happens where they give you a Lucic for Neal type in return but let's be honest, that was so lucky. Happens very rarely.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Think of it this way, until there is an immediate need for Alzner's cap to be used on something else, there is no need to trade him. There is no way to get Alzner off this team without it costing assets like draft pick and/or prospects.

The most realistic option is buyout next year. It'll suck as we'll get little cap relief from it in year 1 but every year after that is not very much.

I mean there is always the chance a trade happens where they give you a Lucic for Neal type in return but let's be honest, that was so lucky. Happens very rarely.


No need to buyout until 2 years when Danault, Gallagher, Tatar, Petry and Arnia will reniew contracts. Sorry M. Alzner big money and no glory. Probably will finish this year in the ECHL.
Oct. 10, 2019 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Bigphil
No need to buyout until 2 years when Danault, Gallagher, Tatar, Petry and Arnia will reniew contracts. Sorry M. Alzner big money and no glory. Probably will finish this year in the ECHL.


Not correct. We’d buy him out next summer, because it’s actually a better cap hit from 2021 on than if we were to buy him out the offseason after.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Think of it this way, until there is an immediate need for Alzner's cap to be used on something else, there is no need to trade him. There is no way to get Alzner off this team without it costing assets like draft pick and/or prospects.

The most realistic option is buyout next year. It'll suck as we'll get little cap relief from it in year 1 but every year after that is not very much.

I mean there is always the chance a trade happens where they give you a Lucic for Neal type in return but let's be honest, that was so lucky. Happens very rarely.


Unless we sign someone, or make a trade to take on cap, the habs wouldn’t even need that space next year anyways. The good news is that we get relief in 21-22, which is when we’ll really need it.
Oct. 10, 2019 at 6:20 p.m.
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Not sign him in 2017???
Oct. 10, 2019 at 8:22 p.m.
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Not sign him in 2017???


I think (hope) Bergevin got that.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 8:26 p.m.
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Not correct. We’d buy him out next summer, because it’s actually a better cap hit from 2021 on than if we were to buy him out the offseason after.


You are right on one point , Buried or buy out on the last year of the contract gets the same result in absolute vaue but you have 2 years to amortize. But I get the point.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 8:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Bigphil
You are right on one point , Buried or buy out on the last year of the contract gets the same result in absolute vaue but you have 2 years to amortize. But I get the point.


Quoting: F50marco
Think of it this way, until there is an immediate need for Alzner's cap to be used on something else, there is no need to trade him. There is no way to get Alzner off this team without it costing assets like draft pick and/or prospects.

The most realistic option is buyout next year. It'll suck as we'll get little cap relief from it in year 1 but every year after that is not very much.

I mean there is always the chance a trade happens where they give you a Lucic for Neal type in return but let's be honest, that was so lucky. Happens very rarely.


Maybe move him to Seatle with some kind of teaser. Somebody like Mete kind of.
Oct. 10, 2019 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: EthanK24
Unless we sign someone, or make a trade to take on cap, the habs wouldn’t even need that space next year anyways. The good news is that we get relief in 21-22, which is when we’ll really need it.


Oh I agree. Let him rot. But as a GM you gotta play the PR game also and having a good guy like Alzner rot in the AHL when he was signed as a big UFA might not sit well with future free agents.

Theres some honor in buying him out and even if we dont have to, it may be worth doing it anyways. The chance that it hurts us some how in the future is very minimal. We've exhausted all options at this point, let the guy play elsewhere.
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Oct. 10, 2019 at 9:03 p.m.
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Maybe move him to Seatle with some kind of teaser. Somebody like Mete kind of.


I dont like the idea of losing assets when we could just use cap to get rid of him.

Whats harder get? Mete or 1.5m in cap over 4 years (or whatever it is)
Oct. 10, 2019 at 9:21 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
I dont like the idea of losing assets when we could just use cap to get rid of him.

Whats harder get? Mete or 1.5m in cap over 4 years (or whatever it is)


Just between you and me. In a conference final, Mete will not be an asset but a liability. SIZE does matter.
Oct. 10, 2019 at 9:35 p.m.
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Just between you and me. In a conference final, Mete will not be an asset but a liability. SIZE does matter.


Habs need to get to the finals before thats even a problem and if Mete, Chiarot and Kulak/Rielly are your left side D, you aint going anywhere far...

But i agree. I love Mete but he's a 5-6 on deeper team.
 
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