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Hall trade MON plus other TDL trades

Initial Creation Date: Nov 10, 2019
Published: Nov 11 at 1:19 pm
Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
Trades
NJD
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Ylönen, Jesse [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (MTL)
  5. 2020 5th round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Hall, Taylor
NJD
  1. 2020 7th round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Strait, Brian
NJD
  1. Santini, Steven
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (NJD)
NSH
  1. Vatanen, Sami ($2,400,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Sami Vatanen: $2,400,000 (49.23%)
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
Buried
  • Connor Carrick: $425,000 ($1,500,000)
  • Louis Domingue: $75,000 ($1,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NJD
MTL
NJD
NJD
BOS
MTL
NJD
MTL
NJD
NJD
TBL
2021
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$72,480,000$0$5,875,000$9,020,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$749,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
NJD
Zajac, Travis
$5,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 3
NJD
Rooney, Kevin
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
NJD
Simmonds, Wayne
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NJD
Greene, Andy
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
NJD
Schneider, Cory
$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NJD
Butcher, Will
$3,733,333
LD
UFA - 3
NJD
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$697,500
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Mueller, Mirco
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
NSH
Santini, Steven
$1,416,667
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NJD
Morrow, Joe
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
NJD
Hayden, John
$750,000
C, RW
RFA - 1

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Nov 11 at 1:25
#1
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Probably too much for Hall even with an extension
Nov 11 at 1:29
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Quoting: Talos213
Probably too much for Hall even with an extension


I was expecting to hear the opposite. Something to the tune of "Suzuki or nothing." I figured it would be a Top 6 forward/Top4 Dman, an A-/B+ prospect and a 1st rounder. I added the 4th and 5th so Montreal would win the bid among other teams and can afford to part with a few picks.
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Nov 11 at 1:39
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I'd actually prefer Jeremy Davies back from NSH rather than SS!
Nov 11 at 2:16
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Vatanen for a 1st rounder. He's a top 4 D almost anywhere.
Nov 11 at 2:19
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Shero cannot possibly justify the Hall trade to the Devils fanbase if the principle return is a veteran forward playing a middle six role. I want prospects/picks or a top 4 young D.
Nov 11 at 3:12
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Quoting: Smitty426
I'd actually prefer Jeremy Davies back from NSH rather than SS!


Really? I would rather have Santini back, would be a nice 6th D-man with some physicality behind Severson and Subban. Davies is to similar too Butcher and Smith.
Nov 11 at 3:20
#7
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Edited Nov 11 at 3:27
Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
I was expecting to hear the opposite. Something to the tune of "Suzuki or nothing." I figured it would be a Top 6 forward/Top4 Dman, an A-/B+ prospect and a 1st rounder. I added the 4th and 5th so Montreal would win the bid among other teams and can afford to part with a few picks.


I'm basing it on the Stone trade. I personally would rather have Stone on my team than Hall. But that trade was a blue chip, a throw in, and a 2nd. With an extension

I do think a comparable would be something like Suzuki/Poehling/Brook/Ylonen, a 2nd and maybe Weal? I'm not super familiar with Montreal this season
Nov 11 at 3:55
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Quoting: Talos213
I'm basing it on the Stone trade. I personally would rather have Stone on my team than Hall. But that trade was a blue chip, a throw in, and a 2nd. With an extension

I do think a comparable would be something like Suzuki/Poehling/Brook/Ylonen, a 2nd and maybe Weal? I'm not super familiar with Montreal this season


I couldn't say Tatar was a throw-in. He is a perennial 20 goal scorer, he did have a lower value while struggling on Vegas, but he had more evidence of being a decent 2nd line winger than a declining forward. As of now he has shown he can be Top 6 (rather than a middle 6) forward. Suzuki (A prospect) > Poehling/Brook (A- prospects) > Ylonen (B+ prospect arguably). For Hall I did the reverse of the Stone trade. Skimped on the quality of the prospect and increased the value in draft picks.

The Canadiens have a lot of prospects to develop and even still have a good amount of draft picks so they can afford to trade some futures for immediate help. They just need to upgrade Kulak on D to someone like Zadorov or Klefbom and they could be pretty good right now rather than middling the pack.

I think any team trading for Hall is not trading for a rental, it's for an extension. There really is no point trading for him as a rental. Rental players should be middle 6 forwards, and bottom 4 Dmen. If you're picking up a top line forward or a top pairing Dman and not re-signing them, you're likely losing too much for a rental. It just doesn't seem like a prudent move.
Nov 11 at 4:37
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Quoting: Brian2016
Shero cannot possibly justify the Hall trade to the Devils fanbase if the principle return is a veteran forward playing a middle six role. I want prospects/picks or a top 4 young D.


You are correct here.
Nov 11 at 4:39
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Quoting: FireShero
Really? I would rather have Santini back, would be a nice 6th D-man with some physicality behind Severson and Subban. Davies is to similar too Butcher and Smith.


Problem is he never became that guy, and I wanted him to succeed in that role.n He was def not given enough time to get there by Hynes and Co.. You are right with Davies, but I'd rather go get a Zads or similar if we are going that route (which we should do at least with one of our d men)
Nov 11 at 4:42
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
I couldn't say Tatar was a throw-in. He is a perennial 20 goal scorer, he did have a lower value while struggling on Vegas, but he had more evidence of being a decent 2nd line winger than a declining forward. As of now he has shown he can be Top 6 (rather than a middle 6) forward. Suzuki (A prospect) > Poehling/Brook (A- prospects) > Ylonen (B+ prospect arguably). For Hall I did the reverse of the Stone trade. Skimped on the quality of the prospect and increased the value in draft picks.

The Canadiens have a lot of prospects to develop and even still have a good amount of draft picks so they can afford to trade some futures for immediate help. They just need to upgrade Kulak on D to someone like Zadorov or Klefbom and they could be pretty good right now rather than middling the pack.

I think any team trading for Hall is not trading for a rental, it's for an extension. There really is no point trading for him as a rental. Rental players should be middle 6 forwards, and bottom 4 Dmen. If you're picking up a top line forward or a top pairing Dman and not re-signing them, you're likely losing too much for a rental. It just doesn't seem like a prudent move.[/quote]
This is my thought too. Although a Bouchard and a first from Edm for Hall was suggested in a thread without an extension, so maybe there are teams. I'd probably take that edm trade, btw
Nov 11 at 4:47
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Quoting: Smitty426
Problem is he never became that guy, and I wanted him to succeed in that role.n He was def not given enough time to get there by Hynes and Co.. You are right with Davies, but I'd rather go get a Zads or similar if we are going that route (which we should do at least with one of our d men)


What would a Zadorov trade to NJ look like? We're renting Vatanen? I don't know if I'd like that. Would you take a Kamenev or Nichushkin too so he has some Russian homies? I doubt you'd say Butcher, we're a tad scorned from his abandonment. It did turn out to be kind of a non-trade trade. You signed Butcher out of college, we signed Kerfoot out of college.
Nov 12 at 9:14
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
I couldn't say Tatar was a throw-in. He is a perennial 20 goal scorer, he did have a lower value while struggling on Vegas, but he had more evidence of being a decent 2nd line winger than a declining forward. As of now he has shown he can be Top 6 (rather than a middle 6) forward. Suzuki (A prospect) > Poehling/Brook (A- prospects) > Ylonen (B+ prospect arguably). For Hall I did the reverse of the Stone trade. Skimped on the quality of the prospect and increased the value in draft picks.

The Canadiens have a lot of prospects to develop and even still have a good amount of draft picks so they can afford to trade some futures for immediate help. They just need to upgrade Kulak on D to someone like Zadorov or Klefbom and they could be pretty good right now rather than middling the pack.

I think any team trading for Hall is not trading for a rental, it's for an extension. There really is no point trading for him as a rental. Rental players should be middle 6 forwards, and bottom 4 Dmen. If you're picking up a top line forward or a top pairing Dman and not re-signing them, you're likely losing too much for a rental. It just doesn't seem like a prudent move.


NJ needs to be building for the future. Adding a decent player today to lower the return tomorrow isn't very productive for them. And I also don't know if Hall is going to be anything other than a rental. He seems pretty set on at least seeing what's out there
 
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