Also .. as much as Gourde contract is one of worst in NHL . dont anyone dear defend him .. the Tyler Johnson contract is not quite that terrible and he could fit in at Calgary or a western conference team .. but seriously I would give up a 1st rounder to get out of Gourde contract.. could appeal to Devils Wings etc .. teams in multiple year rebuilds

I think McD has a decent chance of being protected instead of Foote. Unless McD has fallen off a cliff by the end of next year, I think the Bolts may try and work a deal with Seattle to have them not take Foote and still keep McD. If I had to guess, TJ is the.most likely target for them in this scenario.

Well so far it seems it didn't, as both Stammer and Hedman decided to stay in Tampa while taking less and Point didn't care about an offer sheet (that would have paid him better money) because he wanted to stay in Tampa.
Come at me with some facts and not only your personal opinion.

BS argument? You're living in fantasy. Most NHL teams are close to to the cap or even with their own RFA signing over the cap. Killorn puts those teams on the trade list. Now those teams now have to finding suitors for their unwanted players. You know it's a really reduced reality trade list. Sure would like to see a Killorn trade with the posting to his new team.[/quote]

Where can I find the current cap hit per team in 2020 offseason? I looked and I can't find it, and it would definitely give me a better overlook on the situation.
But you are mad if you think that Tampa will have problems selling Killorn. We are not even talking about what return, but JBB won't have problems shipping him. We eventually wouldn't get the best return, but if JBB wants him gone he'll be gone. You should know that by now.

I was answering to this, you clown.

Lmao I get that your attention span might be of about 10 seconds, but can you take in consideration a full sentence? Maybe a list will be easier for you to read:
- Contenders for years to come
- Roster full of talent
- World class, top notch training facilities, all new
- Living in warm weather. Train and go to the beach afterwards. Most players like it.
- Great and passionate fans that sellout the arena, but the players can go around the city without getting disturbed by fans asking for autographs and pics all the time. You can pretty much live a good live "out" of the spotlights.
- Coach that is one of the most appreciated by the players in the league.
- Well trusted front office
- Best owner in sports that is ready to give his team whatever it's in need
- No State Tax
- Not too much media that always asks for interviews

Find me another NHL franchise that offers this.

And still, you have to get to the expansion draft first. That is a whole different situation that is going to cause headaches.

TO offers most of that, apart from the beaches. Their team is younger, has no bad contracts and has more money to offer bonus structures that are as advantageous as no tax. Also TO is not in Florida where mass shootings happen often. Plus your whole contender for years is short sighted. You have major problems coming your way, way too many bad contracts.

Sometimes I wonder if you are actually keeping up with what were our discussions in the past threads or if you simply reset your memory anytime a new thread comes up.
I know Killorn has been made an A. I know it would be better to keep him and ship either Johnson or Gourde (or both). BUT. As they both have NTC and Killorn would be the easier one to move, if none of the 5M shrimps (as you call them) would waive the clause, Killorn becomes the scapegoat and will be a cap casualty. If that was the case, would you rather keep Killorn and lose one of Cirelli/Sergy/Cernak? I wouldn not.
You would trade Cernak for a veteran? Lmao wow. One day you want a more physical team, the other you wanna trade away one of our best physical assets, that can also throw punches and always keep our opponents honest. But I'm not surprised by this, as you were supporting the idea of trading Sergachev away until two weeks ago.
None of the RFA has to go if we play our cards right.

And if a GM prefers keeping ****ing Killorn over one of our 3 great RFAs, he should be instantly fired into the sun.

I may not have expressed myself correctly.
I was just pointing out what the obvious protection list would look like if we get to re-sign all three of Cirelli/Sergachev/Cernak.
The guy was assuming Tampa could decide to trade Sergy this offseason because otherwise they'd have 5 Dman they wanted to protect. But that's bs, as JBB would protect Sergachev over McDonagh so the whole "Trade Sergachev now so that you can protect McDonagh" doesn't make sense. Who the hell would trade away a 21 years old that is clearely becoming an amazing all around Dman with #1-#2 potential a 30+ years old Dman with a contract that will end up to be too long for what he will bring on the table towards his last couple of years? Nobody.

It would actually be great for the Lightning to be able to get rid of McDonagh's contract via Expansion Draft. But I'll keep this for another thread.

I agree with you on that one 100%

Lmao.
Toronto? Talk to me about peaceful living. Talk to me about taxes. Talk to me about not being assaulted by fans for getting a photo or constantly getting the media in your face, always trying to get some sort of scoop.
The reality is that many players don't like that kind of exposure.


LOL you are talking about bad contracts and problems coming my way and you are a Toronto fan? Dude, you guys don't even have the cap space to get 1 capable Dman and you are talking smack about Tampa and its "bad contracts"?

Tampa won't be a contender for years? You are cute. When some problems come our way, some other get sorted. And we keep going.
You guys have been hoping for Tampa to crash since the summer Stamkos re-signed. "Oh, now Tampa won't be able to re-sign him, Tampa won't be able to resign this guy". Every single summer. And still, here we are. In the best shape we've ever been.
And our prospect system is full of cheap ELC guys that can fill the gaps when we need.

Since Keefe took over TO is top 10 in goals against. TO is a powder keg from the media standpoint sure, but it's also a draw for some to play for a team where everyone cares. Also as I mentioned bonus money is as big if not bigger advantage and TO can max out everyone's bonus money which means they can get more money immediately and invest it to make more over the long-run.

The whole TO doesn't have a decent defenceman aregument is all just nonsense. Rielly, Barrie, Muzzin are all top pair defenders. Holl has been really good as has Dermott and with Liljegren and Sandin on the way they are going to be really good in the future. It's just a tired old anti TO rhetoric that has no real footing.

Also you would probably get more positive comments of you dropped all the condecending comments like, "your cute" and the rest of that stuff. Just makes you look like a jerk.

Vinik is a billionaire, Tampa gives out Signing Bonuses too if needed without a problem.

Toronto is also one of the softest teams in the league that gets spanked year in and year out by Boston in the first round. Not really the team I'd be the most thrilled to join all things considered. Very talented team, don't get me wrong, but misses experience and doesn't seems to be equipped with what's needed to win a playoff series. Yes, you could say something about the comical CBJ sweep, but the reality is that Tampa made it twice to the EFC (losing on game 7 to the eventual Stanley Cup winner) and once to the Stanley Cup final in the last three years.

All the pressure from the fans and the media is something that don't get talked about a lot but that players value a ton.

Rielly, Barrie are good offensive Dman, but are not exactly what I call a good Dman in their own zone. Muzzin is okay, but will you be able to get him back next season?
Lijiegren and Sandin are both great prospects but both are offensive minded and don't excel on the defensive side.

I know, I just got heated answering some previous posts and unloaded it on you too. Sorry for that.

Liljegren is not really an offensive defenceman, it's what many think he is but it's not his best attribute. He's more of a better very of Stralman, a terrific skater and so sound defensively. He's going to be a really good two way guy. Sandin is like Duncan Keith just smooth as hell.

It's all good, I just think we can all be less emotional and more civil and this site would be a lot better for it. I am guilty of the same often enough.

Jeesh Zwiu21 .. aka Captain Disneyland. . who pissed in your cheerios.. LOL .. be like me.. a lover not a fighter. BUT you are certainly in minority on Killorn .. Having PLAYED hockey you never give a guy an A if he going to be traded.. it worse than trading a player you just gave contract to .. which always brings us back to Gourde .. the 27 year old low skilled undrafted 10 year AHL player we gave 32M and an NTC to after 1 year. fed by Kuch and Stamkos .. . JBB is a piece of crap GM and why you defend him is questionable as to if you paid by the team ..

Lol Gourde is far from "unskilled," your hatred of him is.just comical. Yes he is having a rough year, and if he is willing to waive then sure move him, but Killorn being traded has been discussed and could be seen for awhile now. Yes it's great that he's got the A and looks to finally score more than .5 ppg for a season, but Zwui21 is correct that most seemed just fine trading him before this season bc of the cap situation. If the option is trading him for likely the best return Tampa could expect after his best year, or losing one of Sergachev or Cirelli instead(as Cernak will come in much lower), it's a pretty simple decision. Killorn is.on the wrong side.of 30 now and despite this season, he is the easiest to move of the 4 ~5million guys.

While there are some waiving of NTC, 99% of the time, it's because 1. The player is on an expiring contract and wants to go a team with chance at a Cup. 2. The player wants to leave a poor team to a better team.
Since the Lightining don't meet the criteria, I don't see players waiving just because "someone has to go". If a player likes it in Tampa, he isn't falling on the sword. Let management trade other players.