Agreed we wont this year
Next year though i am hopefull a full year of Marner-Suzuki together will produce great things.

plus it give KK time to adjust and re-group for his 3rd year pro as a 20 year old
Poehling's looked stronger as the year goes on and i think coming into next camp he takes 4th C and top PK earning minutes from there.


you are right though selling Danault now was stupid but it was to show we can always re-coop picks by selling our UFA's .
i wanted an example to use and everytime i use Tatar they tell me off :P (leaving Danault by proxy as i wouldnt move Gally now )

No I didn't equate that at all...
You said they train together - OK. What do you think that will equate to on the ice? Super-Celly's? Points? Wins? Cups?
Fact of the matter is, Marner hasn't done squat for the Leafs! No titles, banners, cups, ribbons; butkas. He has however, drained the MLSE bank account...

yeah its more the training aspect i'm interested in
on ice chemistry even if its just a small amount its something to build on


there's a ton of cheaper players who could potentially offer the same service
its just an idea

Enjoyed reading your very informed and enlightening comments and have realized something has not been right in Montreal for a long-time and the fans deserve better. The Canadiens need to go back to their identity and roots and start playing firewagon hockey again and load up and draft more French Canadian players who have pride playing in Montreal and actually hire a competent GM to run the team.

it all started with how they handled the league expanding past 6 teams and that they would lose rights to french players potentially missing a Dionne or two unlike years past .
that's when the whole ''french first'' thing started .

dont get me wrong you want that to but never over the best player available .
if Molson never Sold then Dryden never becomes a Habs and we'd still be rocking french goalies 1970-1980 .


its been painful to see Molson represent french interests
i'd rather the Qubecor that wanted to buy Nordique's expansion team to buy out Molson
they never sacrificed talent to draft french instead including many of the players from Sundin to Selanne in their culture hoping they'd learn .

Molsons the cancer and i think other french Quebec based owners wouldnt make these mistakes .

For example did you know that 19/24 cups MTL won came under English Coaching staff?(billingual but english)
The greatest GM in MTL history was english but billingual

that's where the emphasis should be IMO

You build a great team by having great people running your team. The Molsons do not seem to appreciate this concept. Frank Selke and Sam Pollock were great GM's for the Canadiens for years and were the architects for alot of the really great Montreal teams. I wonder how many more cups the Leafs would have won if Frank Selke had not resigned from Leafs to become the GM in Montreal.

This Leafs-Habs trade is very fun. There would be bad blood for years and would make things entertaining. Great job on a very reasonable offer.

The question is would Toronto take it. I would be inclined to say no, simply because they don't need that much draft capital.Now, if you can remove the two second rounders and add in somebody like Cale Fleury (or take one out for Noah Juulsen) that would interest me more. Leafs need more players closer to contributing at the NHL level, a 2nd round pick could be 4 years away.

It's also VERY difficult to trade away an all-star like Marner with his vision and creativity. It would hurt and would have to make the Leafs better now and in the future. Interesting trade though, lots of fun.

I can't see the logic in doing this Leafs trade. Adding more offense whilst losing the offense Domi provides, the defense that Petry provides and the prospect depth that Primeau and all those picks will provide will all but certainly offset the gain in offense Marner would provide us.

Not to mention that Marners numbers come from playing alongside guys like Matthews and Tavares. Even if guys like Suzuki and Kotkaniemi will be good players one day they more than likely won't be Matthews and Tavares good. And that is no insult to say.

Your paying all that to get a 90 point winger. What you probably getting is a 70 point winger whose making 10M+ and a team that is no better than the one you had previously. In fact it'll be visibly worse....

Just to put things into perspective for a second:

Petry @ 50% = MINIMUM one 1st rounder 2020
Domi = MINIMUM one 1st rounder 2020
Primeau = MINIMUM a 2nd rounder 2020

Add that to the two 1sts and two 2nds and the Habs just paid the Leafs, a division rival:

1st 2020 (One of these is a lottery pick BTW)
1st 2020
1st 2020
1st 2021
2nd 2020
2nd 2020
2nd 2022

Thats IF you are being modest with player values. Domi and Petry are worth more than just one 1st rounder each. Look at what Zucker got from Pitts....

Habs could offer sheet the next big star RFA @ 13-14-15M a year and still only pay four 1st rounders over the next 4 years...... you do realize that right?

I'm sorry but there is no way you can make a case for this to make sense.

your POV based on your evaluation of Marner which is just wrong as he's made those around him better at all levels .

value has to be given on both sides of the trade
otherwise its just a wishlist

your evaluations arent far off on the Habs side
but as far as your evaluation on Leafs players i find its naive .

i did overpay a 1st and a prospect in Primeau which should have been lesser pieces but we can live with this price if it gets TML on board.
we can recoop the cost later .

Look at it this way , we have a sniper now and our offense look strong for years with Marner , Gally and Armia on RW , Drouin,Lehkonen , and few promising Junior /euro prospects . Suzuki , KK ,Poehling and Evans . As the Caufields , Ylonens,Teasdale's ,Harris's , Stapley's and Hillis turn Pro we can sell off other veterans for a profit .

Who said anything about him not making others better? Im in board with adding Marner but the price you are paying for him is asinine.

Like I said, your gaining Marner sure, great, but your losing Domi and Petry in the process. That means your not getting that much better. The defense without Petry is atrocious. 1 more Weber injury and its the worst in the league.

I think you misinterpreted my comment as a "Marner isnt that good" comment when in it actually was "Habs +Marner-Domi&Petry = not a better team by enough to warrant also throwing in Primeau and FIVE high draft picks"

Saying "we can recoop later" also is another reason why this doesnt make sense because it involves the Habs losing MORE assets to regain the ones we lost.

Aside from all this, your paying one if the highest prices ever made in NHL history for yet another winger! A position that the Habs actually have decent already. Want to overpay someone? Go get Rasmus Dahlin or Cale Makar or something. That at least is a position of need.