And if you understand the metric you noticed that kucherov generate a tons of chance but on the other side are on ice for a hige amount of opposing scoring chance. A guy like austin reese is paid basically to limit other team scoring chance that why he got a great corsi. So to your question yes i do understand the stats that he have put on. And since carlson and letang are use in a very similar way comparaison here can be apply. Compare kucherov who play top minutes to a utility players like Aston reese made me thibk that you don’t quite understand how to evaluate players.

It was more being dramatic but let’s compare Crosby vs ROR then.

Go a head compare then.

Sidney Crosby Ryan O'Reilly

54.14 CF% 53.24

54.43 FF% 53.33

55.34 SF% 53.28

60.54 GF% 62.09

54.94 xGF% 53.90

54.36 SCF% 53.79

56.02 HDCF% 52.42

61.11 HDGF% 53.68

53.13 MDCF% 54.70

62.96 MDGF% 68.52

54.07 LDCF% 52.58

57.14 LDGF% 75.76
10.01 On-Ice SH% 9.88
91.92 On-Ice SV% 93.12
1.019 PDO 1.030
436 Off. Zone Starts 394
567 Neu. Zone Starts 541
217 Def. Zone Starts 437
1208 On The Fly Starts 1465
66.77 Off. Zone Start % 47.41

yeah ROR is extremely comparable to Crosby and Crosby starts 2/3 of his shifts in the offensive zone. by your boys logic ROR is a top 5 center in the nhl? Crosby is a generational player and hes edging out ROR barley in most or all cats


Or

Common sense
https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

Tells you Crosby is a much better generational player

Your so funny! And what is my logical process. If i look at crosby number they are better then o’reilly one so yess he is a better player. Oreilly is a very good two way center just like bergeron toews or kopitar. But crosby have the puck more often and have a better offensive metrics.

Funny how your tone changes. Yeah The point of these analytics is to discover which statistics are more predictive of the team or player. “Predictive” either way let’s look at what’s actual.

Carlson is a .973 ppg player.
Letang is a .784ppg player

Carlson is the better offensive player regardless of predictor stats

They both are terrible defensively

Yes carlson is better offensively then letang. I totally agree on that, carlson have a better shot see the ice in a better way both defensively letang is a miles ahead of him. Letang is way more complete then carlson. There a reason why the capital always trade for defensive minded left handed dman. It’s because carlson is such a high risk players.

And it’s funny how you still keep throwing the same bullshat even when every fact and proof have been goiing against you. The only thing you keep bringing is your hatred for letang. No real fact have been brought to the table that show that letang is bad defensively except you lack of judgement.

We wouldn’t need to trade for a LHD if we had a Dumoulin. Penguins lucky have him. He’s easily one of the best defensive dmen in the league. Pair Letang with a lesser dman he’s not good. Capitals had kempny who was good but he now sucks. Injuries suck. Snapping your femur isn’t recommended now we have fackin Dillion

Maybe dumoulin is good because he play with letang! There a guys who where playing with andrei markov in Montreal that was supposedly one of the best defensive defenseman and never been the same after he lost is partner. Stop using excuse. All the evidences have shown that letang is a good defenseman. You should take this like a man and apologize.

Congrats Arom5477, you started a firestorm! Most comments I’ve ever seen...getting back to the actual post, I think Barrie is overrated because he plays in Toronto and I live there so I hear...I don’t think he will get anywhere near that much.

He’s a -2!!!! WTF do you mean he’s good. He’s -2 the entire statement is idiotic. He’s not good. That means during 5v5 or 5v4 the other team scores more with hiM in the ice. The entire point of hockey is to outscore the other team. Just going to the absolute basics bc you seem “smart” he’s not a good defender. Plus minus is an average stat but even a “good defenders on great teams aren’t negative. GD haha so simple

Agree Bjugstad, Johnson, Rodrigues, and Riikola are as good as gone if GMJR can find a taker.
I understand the idea of selling high on Rust as he’s now had essentially one good year, but I wouldn’t as even if his production drops a bit next year, 3.5 isn’t too much and effort is never an issue with him, unlike some. Because I don’t like Barrie I wouldn’t trade Letang; because, in spite of his Defensive lapses, He’s still a top 10 Dman in the league and a guaranteed Hall of Famer. He’s essential to this team and all the Haters that point to 2017 forget the D depth we were blessed with that year. Washington fans should go away and buy ovi some dental work.

I can see you are using plus minus to argue your point. That’s ridiculous. Ovi is -12, Draisaitl is -5, McDavid is -5, Hoffman is -5, Tavares is -7, Kaako is -27, Gardiner is -24, chabot is -18, Horvat is -14. All these are good to great players. Not all great players are a +30 something like Artemi Panarin. Chill.

How about ray bourque -11 season or scott nierdemayer -8 and -9 or drew doughty last two season.
Have you listen to yourself once? You must be the guy on cap friendly who is the funniest. You just throw number out there without having any knowledge about them. Letang for the past 3 season have been use in a lot more defensive situation then in any point of is career so far. He start around 51% of the time in the offensive par of the ice against 49% for is own ends. Thats have a direct affect on +/- but you don’t know that for sure. You don’t even know how corsi work

All those players are terrible defensively. If you are going to chime in read the conversation. Great defensive players on great teams aren’t negative

Ovechkin awful defensively. You are also naming forwards (idiotic). I’m not say Letang isn’t a good offensive player. Just saying he’s not good defensively. That’s all I ever said.

LMFAO. So him starting 50% in ozone and 50% in d zone has a direct effect on him being a negative.? Man you clearly understand that an elite dman should be able to handle 49% of in d zone starts? Also DD THE LAST 2 years has been trash.

A elite dman like carlson. You are so funny. This is getting better and better. You don’t have any idea who kris letang is actually your are just a troll who watch capital game and thing elite defenseman is a guys like carlson who can’t defend shat. Man this is hilarious.

I had to have said this like 50x but again you can’t read for shat. CARLSON SUCKS AT DEFENSE just like LETANG they are both terrible. Carlson is an ELITE offensive talent actually elite power play specialist. I don’t understand how you can’t understand this. I capitalized for you. Lmfao. I have said they both are terrible defensively major difference is Carlson is putting up elite offensive numbers. People will ignore a -2 when you score 95 points. I live in Pittsburgh haha Letang is a massive liability. I watch a lot of games. Sorry. Please read what I say before responding I hate to repeat myself so much

Even after all the stats that our friends put here you can face the facts that letang is a good defenseman. Facts doesn’t lies. He have positive metrics defensively and offensively. Stop pretending you know everything, there people that made a living of advanced stats. They put number in a computer and boum there analysis right away. The facts that letangs number are above average just show that he is reliable defensively. But this is quite hard for you to assimilate, i am not sure why this is so hard to figure out. You might be the kind of person that argue jusg for pleasure even when they know they are completely out of track.

Unfortunately, I've read the entire conversation, including your idiotic false statements. Plus minus, like the capitals, is stupid. And you have said much more than that letang is bad defensively, which is going too far anyway. I think he's fine. sure his offensive instincts lead to giveaways, but I will take those with the offense he brings playing 26 min a night.

To the Pens fans being plagued by this nonsense, let's just "agree" with the stupidity so this can end. LOL

"""Ok we get it Letang is horrible etc. and makes way more $$ than any of us. THE END."""

This is ridiculous since the start ahah. I just do get it how can someone can be stubborn like that. You can dislike a players but that not a good enough reason to said such wrongful thing that just pisses me off.

Agree. The "mental incompetence" of Caps fans is mind blowing. Maybe the politics there wears off on them. LOL

Comment 50. Boom! Goodbye.