TOR and WPG decline

Pionk is not getting traded, they really like him

Don't know why you would think Toronto would say no. They would never get anything close to that for those two.

Depends if you consider a 2nd + 4th or mid-late 1st to be higher (What people offer for Kapanen). Bracco is worth True + Roy for the most part.

Bracco may be worth one of them. So it's essentially Sörenson, Roy, a 2nd and a 4th which is too much for Kapanen.

If Sorenson is a 5th, and Roy is a 6th then that's a 2nd + a 4th + a 5th + a 6th which is a lot, but is it still worth more then a 1st?

Sorenson is not a 5th and Roy is not a 6th, so not worth debating this hypothetical.

Doubt WPG wants to move Pionk and I can almost guarantee you WPG is on Burns' NTC list

You can't be serious? Kapanen for Sorensen, Roy, a second and a 4th for Kapanen??!?!?!? LMAO. This is fair? its just quantity for quality
This is hilarious. Stick to Buffalo if you can't understand hockey

Closest comparables at the draft that were traded last summer are:
Burakovsky for Kosmachuk a 2nd and a 3rd

Haula for Nicolas Roy and a 5th

That offer is more than fair, if not an overpay. Kapanen won't be as good getting traded to a less talented offensive team.

He will be better. He can't get his minutes when there is a powerhouse in front of him. Stop trying to lower the value of our players

No lol. He plays on the 3rd line even though he should be 2nd/1st line. He also gets very limited PP action. If he got top-6 minutes he would likely get between 50-60 pts.

Quit trying to raise their value then. He had 13 goals and 5 were set up by Tavares or Marner, 23 assists (13 of which were secondary) and 8 of them were on goals by Tavares, Nylander and Matthews. Let's not pretend he played with a bunch of scrubs all year.

So Tavares is trash cause he plays with Kapanen but Kapanen is trash because he plays with Tavares
totally makes sense
Lets not pretend like he doesn't have unreal speed and plays on the pp and pk.

Can you propose a counter trade then? If that's unreasonable then tell me what you'd deal Kapanen for.

Only conditions are that Kapanen goes to SJ and Labanc and/or Sorensen goes to TOR. You can decide what the other pieces are.

Good point

No, pointing out contradicting statements. Some say he's stuck on the 3rd line behind all this depth, and that he would do better on a higher line. Yet a lot of his points came with the 1st and 2nd liners. Some say he doesn't get much PP time, but you lauded his PP and PK ability. Yet, he's 8th in TOI for both the PP and PK.
It seems that Leaf fans don't even know what his role is, but still want a kings ransom for him.

Would think Kapanen for Labanc straight up would be fair. Don't know if SJ would do that after Labanc gave them that cherry $1m/1yr deal to help them out.
Not sure why it has to be him or Sorenson?
I would try a bigger deal involving Nylander and Kane. Salaries are very similar and Kane would bring back what you loss when you traded Kadri. Even more.

Nylander and Kapanen for Kane, Sorenson, a 2nd and a 3rd.

yes Kapanen gets his points when he gets his minutes. Its like saying Reinhart is trash because most of his points are from Eichel.



AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
That's probably the most hilarious offer on this site. I am done with you

Sorry, I have to disagree here. Kapanen ≠ Labanc 1 for 1. Kapanen is better. Also it has to be him or Sorensen because I'm tired of both of them and they both need a change of scenery. I'm also not sure SJS would be willing to trade top 6 talent (Meier, Couture, Hertl, Kane) because we're already so short on high end offense. Toronto would never trade Nylander and Kapanen for Kane, Sorensen and picks I don't think. If you wanted that trade to have a chance of going through, you'd probably have to change the 2nd to a 1st rounder.

Kapanen 202 gp 41g 49a
Labanc 284 gp 50g 99a

Labanc has better PP numbers and has better playoff numbers while Kapanen has better PK ability.

Also, Kane is more valuable than Nylander, but Nylander may be a better fit long term in SJ than Kane would. Especially with the team being older up front and Toronto being relatively younger.

Problem is that there's more than meets the eye with Labanc. He's terrible defensively, takes way too many lazy penalties, is not a prolific skater, has a good, but slow release. Those numbers are also a result of playing with Jumbo who almost always inflates his wingers' numbers. I don't think that Kapanen and Labanc are far off in value, but if Labanc wants anything more than Kapanen salary wise (which he likely will), Kapanen is automatically worth more for his speed and higher ceiling. But I think that they're closer in value than that Leafs fan seems to think they are.



I don't think that Kane is worth more than Nylander either tbh. I definitely think Nylander would be a much better fit in SJ, but I'm not sure if the Leafs would ever contemplate trading Nylander. Nylander is also 4 years younger with a much higher ceiling which than Kane. I would LOVE to have this trade done, but I don't think Toronto would go through with it.

Does Nylander add anything to the Leafs that they don't have in the other guys? Kane definitely adds a different element that they loss when they traded Kadri away. The age thing isn't a big issue to me, because 4 of the top 6 are still 25 or under with JT the only other guy approaching 30.
Being a Sabres fan, I would much more rather face Nylander than Kane and wouldn't think twice about it.

I completely agree that Kane would suit the Leafs' needs better than us and Nylander would do the same for San Jose, but I'm just saying that doesn't make them equal in value.

That's where need vs value comes in. Was Larsson worth Hall? Was Jones worth Johansen?