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Different scenario - moves with TOR FLA TB EDM

Created by: justaBoss

Team: 2020-21 Dallas Stars

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 3, 2020

Published: Jun. 3, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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If the team fails completely in the playoffs, I think it would be time to make some acute changes to the team core, and start to think about the future of the team.

Logic behind the trades:

TOR trade - a blockbuster that fits to both teams' needs. DAL needs a young and skilled RW in Nylander, and they also lack RHD prospects and picks. TOR needs a cheap first pair RHD and a defensive center in Faksa, and they also get two future assets in Robertson and Honka.

FLA trade - FLA is in need of wingers if Hoffman and Dadonov walk, and their LHDs are also tad weak. In this way, Radulov and Oleksiak fit right to the team. However their owners have made clear that they need to save some money as well, so DAL agrees to take a subpar contract of Strålmans, with the addition of Saarela and two decent picks - which are assets DAL is lacking.

TB trade - Johns is about to hit free agency, so getting a good value him via trade should be done now. TBs are thin in RHDs but they're loaded with forwards. In a vacuum Johnson holds more value than Johns, but TB is also very much cap strapped, which probably makes them consider a swap as such as it fits to their needs pretty well and saves them close to $3M in cap.

EDM trade - basically a prospect swap. EDM receives a nice and big LW prospect that has a potential to become mid-to-top6 power forward, while DAL receives a good RW prospect who has lost his touch with EDM.

BUF trade - don't mind it. Just wanted that 7th rounder back lol.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse		1	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Hintz, Roope	3	$3,333,333
Gurianov, Denis	3	$3,000,000
Saarela, Aleksi	1	$787,500
L'Esperance, Joel	1	$735,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Khudobin, Anton	2	$3,000,000
Sekera, Andrej	1	$1,500,000
Bayreuther, Gavin	1	$700,000
Heatherington, Dillon	1	$700,000

Trades

DAL

Liljegren, Timothy
Nylander, William
2021 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

DAL

Saarela, Aleksi [RFA Rights]
Strålman, Anton
2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
2020 3rd round pick (FLA)

DAL

2020 7th round pick (DAL)

BUF

Brinkman, Ben [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

2019 6th round pick (173rd overall)

Buyouts

Valeri Nichushkin: $450,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$82,581,064	$3,047,866	$2,900,000	-$1,081,064

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Gurianov, Denis $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Seguin, Tyler $9,850,000$9,850,000 C, RW NMC UFA - 7	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Benn, Jamie $9,500,000$9,500,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 5	Hintz, Roope $3,333,333$3,333,333 C UFA - 3	Puljujärvi, Jesse $925,000$925,000 RW UFA - 2
Johnson, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C, LW NTC UFA - 4	Dickinson, Jason $1,500,000$1,500,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Pavelski, Joe $7,000,000$7,000,000 RW NMC UFA - 2
Kiviranta, Joel $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Saarela, Aleksi $787,500$787,500 C, LW RFA	Caamano, Nicholas $738,333$738,333 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Heiskanen, Miro $894,166$894,166 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD UFA - 1	Strålman, Anton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Bishop, Ben $4,916,667$4,916,667 G M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3
Lindell, Esa $5,800,000$5,800,000 LD UFA - 5	Liljegren, Timothy $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 2
	Fedun, Taylor $737,500$737,500 RD UFA - 1	Khudobin, Anton $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 3
Sekera, Andrej $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Cogliano, Andrew $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Bayreuther, Gavin $700,000$700,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Comeau, Blake $2,400,000$2,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Jun. 3, 2020 at 9:53 p.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

In what world would any team give up a 1st for a player that won't sign with the team that owns his rights? EDM has very little leverage regarding the guy. They have two real options here, sell him underpriced or wait for his rights to expire...

Nope. They have all the leverage. He's under team control until he's 27 and if Holland was going to sell cheap he would have done it long ago.

Jun. 3, 2020 at 10:00 p.m.

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Quoting: CD282

Nope. They have all the leverage. He's under team control until he's 27 and if Holland was going to sell cheap he would have done it long ago.

Have a fun time waiting until his rights expire then. Much like he would've moved him for cheap long ago, if teams were actually wanting to pay a premium price they would've already done it.

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Jun. 3, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

I don't see why TOR should make this move...

Klingberg is yet another offensive d-man and we all saw that this didn't work out with Barrie, learn from your mistakes

That's not why this is a bad trade. It's because it's a huge overpay. I am not sure Klingberg is better than Nylander and the rest isn't half as pressive as Liljegren could be. I would sooner keep the assets and roll with Lehtonen, Rielly, Muzzin, Holl, Dermot and Sandin. I think it'll be a much better defence than people think and their offence is sick. Not need to do this at all.

Jun. 3, 2020 at 10:39 p.m.

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Nope. They have all the leverage. He's under team control until he's 27 and if Holland was going to sell cheap he would have done it long ago.

The older he gets without any NHL success the less he's worth. Already he is definitely not worth a 1st, even a 2nd is far fetched. There is no guarantee he's going to play significant minutes for anyone. If you can't make it over Rattie, can you even play at all? That is the question he is facing and no GM will give up younger assets that could be good enough to play, for a guy who hasn't shown he can play.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 5:37 a.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

The older he gets without any NHL success the less he's worth. Already he is definitely not worth a 1st, even a 2nd is far fetched. There is no guarantee he's going to play significant minutes for anyone. If you can't make it over Rattie, can you even play at all? That is the question he is facing and no GM will give up younger assets that could be good enough to play, for a guy who hasn't shown he can play.

Eriksson isn't that. And anyway this whole thing isn't my problem, I'm just telling you what Holland's reaction would be to that weak-sauce offer. He's already had better offers, I don't know why anyone would think this one is reasonable.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:02 a.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

The older he gets without any NHL success the less he's worth. Already he is definitely not worth a 1st, even a 2nd is far fetched. There is no guarantee he's going to play significant minutes for anyone. If you can't make it over Rattie, can you even play at all? That is the question he is facing and no GM will give up younger assets that could be good enough to play, for a guy who hasn't shown he can play.

Historical comps and draft odds tell a different story, but I already know you rate your own biased ignorance well above facts, so there's not much point to discussing the detail. An interested reader could do some research of their own and come up with their own conclusions. Here are some useful resources:

https://guelphstorm.com/odds-not-great-for-nhl-draft-picks

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-value-nhl-draft-picks/

https://canucksarmy.com/2015/05/18/draft-theory-on-risk-and-reward-54e5db85-f1c1-4291-9268-830220dff34a/

https://www.coppernblue.com/platform/amp/2011/4/4/2082829/nhl-draft-pick-value-first-round

https://lowetide.ca/2020/06/02/free-bird-3/#comment-935808

Jun. 4, 2020 at 8:28 a.m.

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Quoting: CD282

I don't think he's had any offers at all and Holland isn't a fan boy. He's a veteran GM he'll understand how little value Pulli has.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 8:34 a.m.

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Okay cool, that is stuff that is known. However that doesn't say anything about a guy who went 4th overall and has not been able to stick in the NHL. He is now what 4 years removed from his draft year and refused to sign a contract. What part of that has any value? Why would a team send an asset that has a 30% chance of becoming a good NHL player for an older player who has shown he couldn't make a team that literally had zero depth up front? What leverage does he or the team have for any strong arming? The longer you wait to move him the less he'll cost. Next season it'll be a 3rd or a 4th for him. The year after a 5th and then he'll be a mid 20's player who is 100% a bust. If he doesn't get time in the NHL and shows his worth soon, he's unlikely to ever play.

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Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

You should try reading the links I posted.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.

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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood

I don't think he's had any offers at all and Holland isn't a fan boy. He's a veteran GM he'll understand how little value Pulli has.

It's well known that Carolina made an offer.

Jun. 4, 2020 at 12:09 p.m.

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Quoting: CD282

It's well known that Carolina made an offer.

Well known cause some clown on twitter said so? Honestly it doesn't matter. Pully is nothing special, and you won't be getting a huge return for him. He may pan out some day but the longer he doesn't play the less his value will be. Already there are 3 years of prospects wanting to make it to the NHL. That is 3 years worth of competition for him and another will be added this summer in the draft. He's shown he isn't a full time NHLer at this point. If he doesn't show it soon, teams will commit resources to younger players. That is how the business works.

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Different scenario - moves with TOR FLA TB EDM

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Free Agent Signings

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EDM

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BUF

Buyouts

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