Seth Jones and depth

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Created by: Jack_

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 23, 2020

Published: Jun. 23, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Puljujärvi, Jesse		2	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Gauthier, Frédérik	1	$700,000
Mikheyev, Ilya	2	$1,850,000
Jankowski, Mark	3	$1,700,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Spezza, Jason		1	$700,000

Trades

TOR

Jones, Seth

CBJ

Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
Kapanen, Kasperi
Kerfoot, Alexander
2021 2nd round pick (TOR)

TOR

Jankowski, Mark [RFA Rights]
2020 4th round pick (SJS)
2021 3rd round pick (CGY)

CGY

Johnsson, Andreas

TOR

Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]

EDM

Korshkov, Yegor
2021 3rd round pick (CGY)

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$79,959,783	$0	$400,000	$1,540,217

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,850,000$1,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Jankowski, Mark $1,700,000$1,700,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Puljujärvi, Jesse $925,000$925,000 RW UFA - 2
Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Barabanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Jones, Seth $5,400,000$5,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
	Liljegren, Timothy $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) RD RFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Gauthier, Frédérik $700,000$700,000 C UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Nylander, W.		Tavares, J.		Matthews, A.
	Marner, M.		Rielly, M.

Power Play 2
Puljujärvi, J.		Barabanov, A.		Robertson, N.
	Spezza, J.		Sandin, R.

Penalty Kill 1
	Tavares, J.	Hyman, Z.
	Muzzin, J.	Holl, J.

Penalty Kill 2
	Engvall, P.	Marner, M.
	Sandin, R.	Jones, S.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 6:53 p.m.

#101

Jack_

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Quoting: Viqsi

Mitch marner and Oliver Bjorkstrand are not seth jones- the guy who we are talking about here. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything?

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Jun. 23, 2020 at 6:58 p.m.

#102

Jack_

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Quoting: Viqsi

My point is that Marner isn't a top-line winger and based off of on ice value it's a fair assessment. You haven't cited anything beyond naming random places where there might be information, which shows absolutely nothing. At this point he pretty much is what he is and that is a winger who plays alongside superstars and is carried by them.

One of your last posts was that there is lots of stuff to back up Jones being good. You asked where else I was looking then posted Marner and Bjorkstrands RAPM. Compare Justin Holl's RAPM and Jones' RAPM and let me know how you feel about that.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:08 p.m.

#103

Viqsi

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Quoting: Jack_

Mitch marner and Oliver Bjorkstrand are not seth jones- the guy who we are talking about here. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything?

You insist that Marner is better than Bjorkstrand, yet you've not shown how you're backing up that assertion. Surely the parallel is an obvious one.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.

#104

Jack_

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Quoting: Viqsi

You insist that Marner is better than Bjorkstrand, yet you've not shown how you're backing up that assertion. Surely the parallel is an obvious one.

show me where I said Marner is better then Bjorkstrand.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.

#105

Viqsi

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Quoting: Jack_

We're not talking about Justin Holl. We're talking about comparative evaluation of players that are popularly regarded as being elite or near-elite.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.

#106

Viqsi

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Quoting: Jack_

show me where I said Marner is better then Bjorkstrand.

Oh. So you do believe Bjorkstrand is better than Marner?

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:20 p.m.

#107

Jack_

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Quoting: Viqsi

Oh. So you do believe Bjorkstrand is better than Marner?

this season Bjork has been better. marner is way more valuable on the PP but at 5v5 i much rather have bjork

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.

#108

Viqsi

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Quoting: Jack_

this season Bjork has been better. marner is way more valuable on the PP but at 5v5 i much rather have bjork

Okay, then. I give you points for consistency, anyways.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 7:48 p.m.

#109

Xqb15

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Quoting: Jack_

thats a good point. you almost perfectly described Rasmus Ristolainen

Except for the fact Ristolainen can’t get lay defense. Jones can. It isn’t a stretch to call Jones a future Norris winner. But you don’t like him, I understand.

Jun. 23, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.

#110

Bdawwwgy1

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Quoting: Jack_

all stats available to the public point to him being not that great. hes very talented but is clearly not preforming to his highest potential on the top pair meaning he should be moved down

What is up with your hate boner for Jones recently? You read one JFresh article and suddenly think hes the worst player in the world. You do understand analytics arent everything? This is all coming from a columbus fan who does think Jones is overrated, but you're WAY overblowing trying to be edgy. Even in his current state CBJ dont take that.

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Jun. 23, 2020 at 8:31 p.m.

#111

Bdawwwgy1

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Bjorkstrand had a significantly higher GAR than Marner this year and a higher Corsi rating. How can you sit here and say Marner is exempt from advanced stats then go and use them to define Jones? That's pure ignorance.

Not to mention his advanced stats are flawed too. Hes mentioning how both Reilly and Jones sucked defensively but Reilly made up with that offensively... has he forgotten Toronto and Columbus are on separate ends of the offense spectrum?

I love JFresh. But this dude saw one article, didn't even read it fully and is now acting like he has some god given super power to pull advanced stats out of his ass and be the ultimate hockey knowledge guy. Even if Seth is a 2nd pair guy (which he isnt) then that package wont get him based on his leadership and potential. I'm not sure why Jack is saying "he is what he is now"... PLENTY of defensmen have down seasons and then surge back. Also the whole "marner is immune to advanced stats but Jones isnt" narrative is kind of funny

Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.

#112

Jack_

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Quoting: Bdawwwgy1

I've been on the seth jones isnt that good train for a few years now. I checked out the graphic but I havent read the article yet

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