Okay, just so I’m not accused of any homerism, I’m going to keep it within the same team. Compare Krug to McAvoy. Just look at the stat line and you’re going to think that Krug is the better player (and Krugs stats are waaaaay better than Fox’s). In reality, it’s not even close. McAvoy is 10 times more important to the bruins than Krug.

I think Fox might be a Krug level player some day. It’s actually just a really good example of why stats should be mostly ignored for D men. Watch McAvoy play his worst game, and Fox play his best, and there shouldn’t be a human being with two eye balls outside of manhattan that takes the performance that fox put in.

One can’t reach 19 minutes for a garbage team while the other is the guy that plays more minutes than anyone for the best team in the nhl. They’re not in the same universe on the ice. On paper? Different story.

If you think that McAvoy is better than fox, it's understandable. You can't compare them based on ice time though. 1. NY aren't a garbage team 2. Fox is a rookie and plays on stacked right side, hence why he doesn't play legit first pair minutes. Fox is also not the same type defenseman as Krug

I’m pretty confident that throughout his career, if he’s your number one d man, your team is F’d. If Mcavoy is your number one d man we’ve seen your team can do pretty well. They’re the same age, so I’m not really going to give anything to the rookie playing on a stacked right side. McAvoy stepped into the NHL and played 25 minutes a night in the playoffs his first week in the league.

It’s a comparison on the stat sheet. In terms of real life hockey they should never be mentioned in the same paragraph, let alone the same sentence.

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The question is who's going to have a better career, not whose better this year. I just used this year's stats to show how impressive Fox's rookie year has been. And we're going to use TOI as a determination of whose good and whose not, Ryan Suter deserves to have a few Norris Trophies. I guarantee you by year 3 Fox will be getting a lot more ice time. Anyways it's how you utilize your TOI that makes the biggest difference. The fact that he was able to put up those stats on a garbage team should show the quality of player he is. According to Dom from the Athletic's GSVA calculations here are the top defensemen of 19-20: 4.) McAvoy 11.) Krug 17.) Fox.

Now please remember, I CHOSE MCAVOY. I would rather have him on my team than Fox but to say they're not going to be in the same universe when it's all said and done is asanine.

tough one, both are already legit number 1 d men, Fox...?
Vrana and it's not close
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Debrincat rn probably better than what Connor will do for the rest of his career lol
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I stand by it. I think fox is a legit fraction of what mcavoy is. It may seem like fox is a ton younger, but they’re the same age. I do not think fox has the potential to be a legit number one d man.

This comment doesn't even make any sense. Connor VASTLY outplayed Debrincat this year. 73 pts vs. 45 pts in roughly the same amount of games.

That's fair. Agree to disagree. And btw, good look to your Bruins in the playoffs!

Debrincat had a down year (and was still better than Connor) but before this year he was one of the best overall wingers in hockey, Connor is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

I was about to argue with you some more but I have to concede on this one. Advanced analytics support your argument. I didn't realize just how much his defense brought down his overall grade. I knew his defense was bad...but I didn't know just how bad. I retract my previous statement.