Not a chance, this year’s draft is hella deep

13th overall for kasperi kapanen? No no no my friend. Drop that pick by about 30 spots, then you’re talking.

Such a joke of a opinion though ....

Pittsburgh just traded this for Zucker:

- 1st round pick
- 2nd round pick
- Alex Galchenyuk

Jason Zucker is currently:

- A 28 year old borderline top-six forward
- A .53 point per game player over his career
- A 43 point per 82 game player over his career
- Signed at $5,500,000 x 4 years (after his prime)
- Not young enough to expect any improvement

Kaspari Kapanen is currently:

- A 23 year old borderline top-six forward
- A .55 point per game player over 2 full seasons
- A 45 point per 82 game player over 2 full seasons
- Signed at $3,200,000 x 3 years (entering his prime)
- Young enough to expect measurable improvement
- Already a penalty killer than Zucker (defender too)
- Still an RFA when his contract expires

I'll even digress and say Zucker slightly better today ... Kapanen:

- Is much younger (4.5 years)
- Is much cheaper ($2.3 million)
- Has much more potential to improve.
- Has much less age related regression risk.
- Should easily surpass Zucker during their deals.

Joke of an opinion, eh? Did we hurt your feelings?

Anyhow, lets just forget about zucker being the much better player, and goal scorer, and just get down to the trade terms your talking about.

What was at the time perceived to be a late first, a late second, and a cap dump for zucker.
Orrrrrr the 13th overall for kapanen.

Bit different, dont ya think, bud?

Just because JR makes dumb moves doesn’t justifies value for others to do the same

Like I said in the other thread, the biggest overpay at the deadline is a poor comparison. Pittsburgh was desperate for Zucker, a proven top 6 60-point player. Toronto is desperate for cap space and Kapanen has shown an inability to adjust to a top 6 role or LW, leaving him as a speedy, penalty killing, 3RW with 20 goal potential. Once again, the best comparable is actually Namestnikov, as a middle six winger who kills penalties and has shown potential for similar output. Kapanen is a couple years younger than Johnsson (referring to your similar comment in the other thread) so he has slightly more room to develop (although 24/25 is about when you expect forwards to have peaked) and at least he has insane speed, which is somewhat valuable (it is somewhat telling that he hasn’t been able to hold down a top 6 role when giving the opportunity though, fast does not always mean good, e.g. Rieder). At best he’s worth a mid to late 2nd imo, probably more likely to get a couple 3rds.

In conclusion look for better comparables, not the biggest overpay of the year, especially when the other team holds more leverage.

Kapanen is a 22oa pick with proven NHL potential. So the trade for a 13oa isn't that far off. It's not like I was proposing to trade 40yo Marleau for the 13oa pick; that would be sick.

Plus, Kapanen has a history with the Canes. His father had a good stint in Carolina, in a competitive team. He's good omen for them.

"Lets just forget about zucker being the much better player, and goal scorer"

Not at all

"Late first, a late second, and a cap dump for zucker. Orrrrrr the 13th overall for kapanen. Bit different."

Not at all

"Bit different. Dont ya think, bud?"

LOL

"Did we hurt your feelings?"

LOL

Draft status means nothing more than 2 years from the draft. Point went 79th that year, does that mean he’s worth a 3rd round pick? Yakupov went first overall a couple years earlier, if a team still had his rights would you give the #1 to get him?

In this draft, the 13th overall pick has a legitimate chance to be a high skilled top 6 scoring winger, a long time elite starter, or a reliable top 4 RHD. Most teams would prefer that over at best an above average third liner. I don’t doubt Carolina would have interest in Kapanen but this is way more than they’d be willing to offer.

Okay, so you don’t think a package of what was thought to be a late first, a late second, and a cap dump is different than the 13th overall?


Really?

It’s insanely far off. You want ritchie for kapanen? Ritchie was the 10th overall pick. You should have to sweeten the pot!

this made me LOL

I think the premise your promoting is laughable at best.

Condemnable in a court of law at worst.

And yet you’re the one that thinks kapanen is worth the 13th overall. Not one single person that isn’t a leafs fan will agree with you.

i'd rather trade Kapanen either for or in package for a dman tbh

LMAO ... Kapanen was literally just traded to Pittsburgh for:

- 2020 1st round pick (15th overall)
- 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander - who is developing nicely)
- Evan Rodrigues (expiring RFA centermen)

Does anyone want to apologize or am I just farting in the wind?

Maybe Bcarlo25 wants to?

- "13th overall for kasperi kapanen? No no no my friend. Drop that pick by about 30 spots, then you’re talking"
- "And yet you’re the one that thinks kapanen is worth the 13th overall. Not one single will agree with you"
- "Bit different, dont ya think, bud? Oh did we hurt your feelings there bud?"

Well I guess someone agreed with me ... Ouch

I’m blown away. This was SUCH a bad deal for Pittsburgh. I think the consensus is that Toronto won this trade by a mile. I actually thought of this post when i heard about the trade. What profound robbery. Yikes.

Why would anyone Applogize?

if anything we just got justified on how bad of a trade you we're quote is

Every analyst out there is agreeing that Pittsburgh over paid here and looks desperate

I love that you quoted "ecupirate07" only GM JR was crazy enough to do something like this
(as if you we're putting it in his face)

and low and behold, he was 100% spot on, only GM JR would do something like this.

the vast consensus is that Pittsburgh lost this trade, which only shows how ridiculous the trade purposed above is.....

so maybe i'm missing your point here?

The trade proposal was SIGNIFICANTLY more balanced than the actual trade.

LMAO get some common sense.