Aight I'm just gonna report you for crimes against humanity.

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Muzzin for DeBrincat is something you just have to consider. He's young highly skilled with upside. Rielly is hands down better though so it a ridiculous comparison. Andersson is a good player but he isn't worth Nylander or Marner. If TO was going to give you Marner for him, you'd be a fool to not take it. Flip him for more if you like. Saying it starts with Matthews is just insane. That's like saying Sandin starts with Tkachuk.

Once again, never said it starts with Matthews. You are manipulating the word to make an argument. As for Andersson vs your 2 wingers. He is definitely worth Nylander, Andersson hasn't even entered his prime yet amd looks to be a very solid #2. As for Marner. He is better but is also far to expensive and definitely cannot be "flipped" in a flat cap he is also an unneeded commodity, especially at that price. Flames already have a player very similar to him at a 3rd of his price named Lindholm.

Im going to use your exact example so maybe you will understand. Correct, the statement "Sandin starts woth Tkachuk" is ridiculous. However the statement "a package for Tkachuk has to include Sandin" is not.

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90 point players are entirely rare as far as commodities go. In a flat cap scoring will be an even higher premium. This whole notion that a 23 year old winger who scores as many points and can kill penalties as well is somehow a negative asset because he makes over 10 million is just ridiculous. I can easily find 2 players on almost any team that make the same and combined are not as good as Marner. For instance Backlund and Lucic make almost as much as Marner and you're straight up lying to yourself if you say those two players are combined more valuable than marner is. But this is what people justify to convince themselves that TO is going to have to give these guys away for pennies on the dollar. It's just silly.

You are using an Albatross contract and an aging vet almost entirely known for his defensive game as an example.
I am not saying Marner has negative value, I am saying adding him by trading your only RD greatly hinders your ability to now add 3 RD (2 for the top 4) to your roster. Marner is overpaid though, there is zero reason he is making 2.6M more than Rantanen.

It doesn't matter though. Matthews makes almost double MacKinnon. That doesn't mean Matthews is overpaid. It means MacKinnon is underpaid. Beyond that, star players are just better than everyone else. The difference between someone like I don't know Palat in Tampa and Pierre Engval or Sam Bennet is so small. The right situation and chemistry can see any depth guy have a big year. A star player is usually the reason why those depth guys have big years. GM's have been overpaying depth for ever. It's just now becoming clear how bad an idea that is. The example I used of Lucic and Backlund emphasizes that. Neither should be making more than 3.5. Lucic should be making 1.5 tops. Both then would be valuable players for various reasons. A guy who can elevate those around him and produce at an elite pace though? That is extremely valuable. Marner vs Rantanen is an irrelevant discussion. They are both stars and both produce elite offense. Its obviously ideal if they make as little as possible but whatever they make it's not hurting you since they do so much more than ability than what other players can. Which is why Marner is not hard to move and his contract is not a hindrance. He's an all-star forward with more growing to do. Andersson is a very good young defenceman and they have value but if you put a dollar amount on it, between 4-5 million is his worth. There is a reason why stars make more, they are worth more.

u obviously know nothing about the flames if u think backlund should b making 3.5, he was our best C

I understand why Marner makes the money he does. I understand that he has higher value. In a vacuum I take that trade any time but that's not the case.
A line up of:
Johnny-Monny-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backs-Marner
Mangiapane-Bennett-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-Gawdin
Gio-league min contract
Hanifin- league min contract
Valimaki-Kylington
Does not sound better than rhe current one.

That speaks more about your problems at centre than how much Backlund should get paid. But whatever, it's clear reason is not part of this conversation