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What I Would Have Done after winning the cup

Created by: TheEarthmaster
Team: 2019-20 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 22, 2020
Published: Aug. 22, 2020
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Here is what I would have done if I was the Blues since winning the cup. Please note this is not only a reaction to the playoff series (where they sucked!) but to the entire last season in general.

I think pretty much every major move the Blues have made since winning last year has been bad, and I think it's been born out in our underlying numbers this year.

Here's the good ones:

Extending Schenn: he scores, can play center,bonafide top-six guy, good underlying numbers, not too much money for all of that, so good deal.

Binnington's contract: I've never been sold on the "Binnington is an elite starter" narrative that mostly the NHL has been pushing by ranking him in the top ten goaltenders and what not, but the two year deal is perfect. I'm very big on the "don't pay for saves" thing though, so I'm probably not re-signing him after this contract, especially if Husso is ready to go. Not trying to base anything of the playoff series but feeling pretty good about that not-resigning him thing right now.

Here's the bad ones:

1. Signing Bouwmeester. I mean no disrespect to him, considering what he has been through. I really loved Bouwmeester's role and he was great for us for most of his career, but it really was time to move on. He had been one of the worst defensemen in the league for a bit, sidecar'd along on Parayko's elite back half of the 18-19 year, and we should have just let go once we won the cup. This isn't a hindsight thing with his injury. There were better free agents available and he was 36. Sorry Bouw, I'll always love ya.

What I would have done instead (WIWHDI): sign Jake Gardiner. Jake Gardiner had a very not good season in Carolina, but before that was top five in GAR the last three years amongst Leafs players, no small feat considering who his teammates were (that's a compliment to leafs forwards and an insult to leafs defense). His underlying numbers have always been very good. He would have been a tad more expensive than Bouw, but we would have gotten decent term and he fit in a position where we needed some depth for the future (if we were moving/losing Edmundson anyway- remember Perunovich had not yet signed and Mikkola/Walman were less established).

2. Extending Faulk. Look, I know a lot of people are tired of the Faulk bashing and credit where credit is due- he was our best defender in the bubble! But the fact is this extension was bad from the get-go. I personally don't think Faulk is a top four defenseman on a cup contending team and people probably disagree with that, but I think we can all agree that Faulk is elite at nothing, correct? The fact is you simply don't sign players who are elite at nothing to max deals. I can make some exceptions for not-elite forwards who wear a lot of hats, but certainly not for defenseman. Not only that, his cap hit eats into what we can offer Dunn and Pietrangelo, and forces us to move better players like Allen and Bozak if we want to keep both of those guys.

WIWHDI: Notice I still trade for Faulk. I'm not too high on Bokk and Edmundson's time was clearly up, I'm not against having Faulk for the one year as added depth when we had the cap space and an insurance policy if we can't come to terms with Pietrangelo. But no extension until that door is closed. And Carolina would have had to retain a little more to make it work cap wise. I still probably would have tried to trade for another top-six forward but there wasn't a lot of roster room on the team for that.

3. Trading Fabbri. I'm not as broken up about this as maybe Fabbri's position on the roster would indicate, but the fact is that we traded a scoring player for a defensive player and that was not what we needed. If I was the Blues I wouldn't have traded Fabbri until the following offseason. His value was simply at an all time low when we traded him, and that's never a good thing.

WIWHDI: It was a favor to Fabbri to do and I guess that was nice since he requested a trade, but I would have tried giving him a longer leash in the top six, especially once Tarasenko went down.

4. Trading for and extending Scandella. Scandella has only been above replacement level in contract years, dating back to his time in Minnesota. The pattern held again this year, where he was pretty good. It was especially dumb to extend him for that long knowing we'll have Perunovich and Mikkola pretty much ready to go within the first two years of his contract. If he slides back into the normal Scandella, he'll be outplayed by the other guys and he'll be tough to trade. Not only that, his cap hit eats into what we can offer Dunn and Pietrangelo, and forces us to move better players like Allen and Bozak if we want to keep both of those guys.

WIWHDI: We signed Gardiner instead of Bouwmeester so Bouwmeester's cardiac episode never happens and we don't have to trade for anyone or can use those picks to trade for a top six forward who scores.

In conclusion- I think this team is better set up to contend this year and keep their really good players (Pietrangelo, Dunn, eventually Thomas/Kyrou/Parayko/maybe Schwartz) than the team we currently have. There is a part 2 (and 3) which shows this.
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Aug. 22, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.
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TLDR for those not wanting to read my novel in the description:

-Most of our major moves since the cup win have been bad.
-Faulk is bad, don't extend him. Trade with Carolina is ok.
-Gardiner is good, sign him in free agency.
-Don't resign Bouwmeester because there were better options available.
-Don't trade Fabbri while his value is so low and you need scorers.
-Schenn and Binnington contracts ok.
-See part two and three to understand how this helps us for the future.
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Aug. 22, 2020 at 4:26 p.m.
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I'm right there with you buddy. Lots of questionable moves, not even based on hindsight. If we ever find out that Petro wanted to stay but was upset about the Faulk extension, I will be pretty upset. Until then, I gotta believe that GMDA knew there wasn't realistic/ mutual interest. (Still doesn't excuse the rushed extension given to Faulk but at least provides some justification).
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Aug. 22, 2020 at 4:34 p.m.
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Schenn contract is sketchy, otherwise I agree with all your points. Even before the Cup win some people suggested Gardiner to STL and I thought that made a lot of sense. Faulk trade/extension was weird but honestly it makes a lot of sense in hindsight if they were starting to have doubts about Pietrangelo coming back. Obviously it’s blown up in their face but I see what they were trying to do.

Overall, nice analysis
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Aug. 22, 2020 at 8:01 p.m.
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Faulk would have waived his NTC without the extension, would have been better just keeping Edmonson instead of signing Gardiner. Would have keep Bokk that way as well
Aug. 22, 2020 at 8:22 p.m.
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
Schenn contract is sketchy, otherwise I agree with all your points. Even before the Cup win some people suggested Gardiner to STL and I thought that made a lot of sense. Faulk trade/extension was weird but honestly it makes a lot of sense in hindsight if they were starting to have doubts about Pietrangelo coming back. Obviously it’s blown up in their face but I see what they were trying to do.

Overall, nice analysis


Thanks! I've gone back and forth on the Schenn thing all year but I've kind of settled with being okay with it. The way I see it, there's a lot of teams paying more for centers who are about the same age (or who will be under contract for the same ages Schenn is under contract) and who tap out around 50-70 points like Schenn does. Dallas is paying 9.8 for Seguin, Nashville is paying 8 for both Duchene and Johanson, Couture is making eight too. It's always a concern that he'll be 36 when it ends with how physical he plays and of course the cap not rising soon doesn't help that much, but if he can pot 20+ goals a year while being an insurance policy if O'Reilly or Thomas go down temporarily, and can maybe be a relable third line center ala Tyler Bozak in his later years, I think that's a good spot to be in. Plus, who knows where we'll be in eight years. Probably ready to rebuild again anyway.
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Aug. 22, 2020 at 8:30 p.m.
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Faulk would have waived his NTC without the extension, would have been better just keeping Edmonson instead of signing Gardiner. Would have keep Bokk that way as well


Faulk didn't have a full NTC in Carolina and St. Louis wasn't on his no trade list. There was a Rutherford tweet about that when the trade went down. He had a full NTC retroactively applied to his current contract when he signed the extension. So, he would have come without the extension (if the Blues were cool with not having one- that does make giving up both Edmundson and Bokk problematic).

I'm not super high on Bokk being anything more than a third line winger and we've got a lot of those. And once players go to arbitration like Edmundson did, most of the time they are off the roster soon anyway (between 2009-2019, 23 of the 27 RFAs that went to arbitration are now off that team's roster, 16 of those within two years). Edmundson's time was up, his underlying numbers were reliably terrible and you couldn't commit term to him since his play had been so inconsistent the previous two years. So I think it was smart to trade him and get an asset back rather than just letting him walk. I would have packaged him and Bokk for a top six forward in the offseason over trading for Faulk probably but if they were really worried about Pietrangelo I can see why they did it. The extension though is just...man, Anyway, Gardiner didn't have any of those concerns, so I would have opted for him over Edmundson (or Bouwmeester).
 
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