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A trade with Tampa

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Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2020
Published: Aug. 29, 2020
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6$5,500,000
5$4,750,000
3$2,750,000
2$800,000
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2$1,750,000
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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    WE DON’T NEED A LEFT-HANDED DEFENSEMAN.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:52 p.m.
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    You’re daydreaming

    I’ll trade you five unicorns for two centaurs
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    WE DON’T NEED A LEFT-HANDED DEFENSEMAN.


    Well I looked at your roster, and all you have on the left side is Chiarot, Kulak, and Mete

    Would you prefer Larsson instead? He's a RHD
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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    this trade won't work for both sides
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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    Well oilers might be wise to talk to habs about that deal but would be even smarter ignoring the rest.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.
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    Montreal doesn't touch the Chiason deal without a sweetener. Maybe Caison + Lavoie for a 2nd
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: ken_holland
    Well I looked at your roster, and all you have on the left side is Chiarot, Kulak, and Mete

    Would you prefer Larsson instead? He's a RHD


    Stop. We’re not trading Domi unless we get someone that absolutely makes us better, now and/or in the future.

    Chiarot & Kulak are more than fine 3rd & 4th defensemen (after Weber and Petry), and we’ll have Romanov & Norlinder leading the D for the next 15+ years. Not to mention Struble or Harris. Just because our D isn’t the best in the league now doesn’t mean we need to trade just to make ourselves better now. We clearly aren’t contending for the cup this year.

    While the habs would be interested in RHD, we would only want someone who is very young, and can take over Weber/Petry’s roles when they get older.
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    WE DON’T NEED A LEFT-HANDED DEFENSEMAN.


    I disagree with this we need a top pairing LHD like Nurse and I don't mind this offer our D looks much better as

    Nurse-Petry
    Chiarot-Weber
    Romanov-Juulsen
    Mete/Kulak

    Than

    Chiarot-Weber
    Mete/Kulak
    Romanov-Juulsen
    Mete/Kulak

    Our biggest need though is scoring winger and then a Backup
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I disagree with this we need a top pairing LHD like Nurse and I don't mind this offer our D looks much better as

    Nurse-Petry
    Chiarot-Weber
    Romanov-Juulsen
    Mete/Kulak

    Than

    Chiarot-Weber
    Mete/Kulak
    Romanov-Juulsen
    Mete/Kulak


    This year doesn’t matter. I’d rather it look like this next year:

    Chiarot - Weber
    Romanov - Petry
    Norlinder - Juulsen/Mete/Kulak/Fleury

    That way we have room for the young kids to actually prove themselves, instead of blocking them off from a good role. Plus we don’t lose Chiarot to expansion.

    Edit: Not to mention the value of keeping Domi.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    This year doesn’t matter. I’d rather it look like this next year:

    Chiarot - Weber
    Romanov - Petry
    Norlinder - Juulsen/Mete/Kulak/Fleury

    That way we have room for the young kids to actually prove themselves, instead of blocking them off from a good role. Plus we don’t lose Chiarot to expansion.


    Chiarot is likely being taken in the ED so having Nurse in case Norlinder doesn't work has value IMO. However like I said in my edit Our biggest need is a scoring winger.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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    The difference between Nurse and Domi is closer 1 for 1
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Chiarot is likely being taken in the ED so having Nurse in case Norlinder doesn't work has value IMO. However like I said in my edit Our biggest need is a scoring winger.


    Chiarot won’t get taken if we don’t trade for Nurse and just protect him.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    WE DON’T NEED A LEFT-HANDED DEFENSEMAN.


    Take it easy. What is it that you guys need then? Because there certainly isn't room at G. And there certainly isn't room at RD. And there certainly isn't a need at C with Kotkaniemi and Suzuki ready for full-time action now, and Danault. And I can't count how many times I've heard MTL GMs and fans on this site scream, "we don't need a LW!", "we don't need a RW!", etc. etc.

    Is this team perfect and ready to contend every year without any trades/changes?
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:29 p.m.
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    From oilers perspective I’d much prefer one of Drouin or Tatar assuming similiar extension as Drouin in place +2nd for nurse. Seems very fair and reasonable. I just believe they would fit in and be more impactful than domi with current roster.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tkachinla
    Take it easy. What is it that you guys need then? Because there certainly isn't room at G. And there certainly isn't room at RD. And there certainly isn't a need at C with Kotkaniemi and Suzuki ready for full-time action now, and Danault. And I can't count how many times I've heard MTL GMs and fans on this site scream, "we don't need a LW!", "we don't need a RW!", etc. etc.

    Is this team perfect and ready to contend every year without any trades/changes?


    Don’t need to look further than LD as a big issue in short term. If wait for these prospects to develop then the RD will be pushing retirement and be a huge hole. Either fix the LD now or start adding young RD to replace petry and Weber. Doesn’t make sense to start doing that and continue to waste price for another 3-4 years doing that transition. Even tho they have high hopes for their young LD it’s not something should be banking on if looking to be competitive in near future.
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 1:49 p.m.
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    Lol ridiculously over valuing all the Edmonton pieces. Trading pennies for dollars I see
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tkachinla
    Take it easy. What is it that you guys need then? Because there certainly isn't room at G. And there certainly isn't room at RD. And there certainly isn't a need at C with Kotkaniemi and Suzuki ready for full-time action now, and Danault. And I can't count how many times I've heard MTL GMs and fans on this site scream, "we don't need a LW!", "we don't need a RW!", etc. etc.

    Is this team perfect and ready to contend every year without any trades/changes?


    Sorry for the agressiveness. I’m just annoyed, because 75% of the trades I see people making with the habs on this site involve trading for a LHD. The reason I don’t think we should trade for a LHD is that we have a bunch of very promising prospects that will be competing for 3 spots in the lineup.

    I do think that the habs will obviously need to make some trades to become contenders, but I don’t think that any major moves are necessary. I’d be much more willing to trade Domi for a winger, because we could use one, and there are 8 lineup spots for wingers.

    I’m mostly content to stay the course though.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
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    For 6 years Sergachev is at least getting 6.5M
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Sorry for the agressiveness. I’m just annoyed, because 75% of the trades I see people making with the habs on this site involve trading for a LHD. The reason I don’t think we should trade for a LHD is that we have a bunch of very promising prospects that will be competing for 3 spots in the lineup.

    I do think that the habs will obviously need to make some trades to become contenders, but I don’t think that any major moves are necessary. I’d be much more willing to trade Domi for a winger, because we could use one, and there are 8 lineup spots for wingers.

    I’m mostly content to stay the course though.


    So if i understand this correctly, you're basing your non-LHD trade on the hopes that one of Montreal's unsigned (minus Romanov) D prospects just all of a sudden becomes a top pairing guy? How can you say this team doesn't need a LD partner to eventually take over the top 1-2 position on the Habs backend..? Seems to me you've got a hope and a prayer, and that's it.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tkachinla
    Take it easy. What is it that you guys need then? Because there certainly isn't room at G. And there certainly isn't room at RD. And there certainly isn't a need at C with Kotkaniemi and Suzuki ready for full-time action now, and Danault. And I can't count how many times I've heard MTL GMs and fans on this site scream, "we don't need a LW!", "we don't need a RW!", etc. etc.

    Is this team perfect and ready to contend every year without any trades/changes?


    They DO need a top pairing LHD, as well as LW... the only thing they're pretty much set with right now is Centers (finally) RW is set with Gallagher and Armia, maybe Kovalchuk if they sign him as a UFA. It's funny that for as long as I can remember, all this team was looking for was a top C, now they have a bunch of eligible guys for that position, but have needs literally EVERYWHERE else.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheGHANDI90
    So if i understand this correctly, you're basing your non-LHD trade on the hopes that one of Montreal's unsigned (minus Romanov) D prospects just all of a sudden becomes a top pairing guy? How can you say this team doesn't need a LD partner to eventually take over the top 1-2 position on the Habs backend..? Seems to me you've got a hope and a prayer, and that's it.


    We already have Chiarot to play on the top pairing with Weber. Kulak has great chemistry with Petry, and is a more than fine 4th defenseman. Romanov will be a great defenseman in the future. Same with Norlinder. It doesn’t matter what we do, we aren’t going to be contenders until prospects like Romanov, Caufield, and Ylönen become valuable players.

    I never said that that’s going to happen right away, which is fine, because the habs aren’t trying to win right away.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    Sorry for the agressiveness. I’m just annoyed, because 75% of the trades I see people making with the habs on this site involve trading for a LHD. The reason I don’t think we should trade for a LHD is that we have a bunch of very promising prospects that will be competing for 3 spots in the lineup.

    I do think that the habs will obviously need to make some trades to become contenders, but I don’t think that any major moves are necessary. I’d be much more willing to trade Domi for a winger, because we could use one, and there are 8 lineup spots for wingers.

    I’m mostly content to stay the course though.


    Domi is a winger...certainly a more capable winger than a center. He's not great on draws, and Danault and Kotkaniemi are better C options in the Top 6.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/domima01.html
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tkachinla
    Domi is a winger...certainly a more capable winger than a center. He's not great on draws, and Danault and Kotkaniemi are better C options in the Top 6.

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/domima01.html


    While he’s not the best at faceoffs, that’s not the only difference between being a winger and a centre. There’s positioning, and how you see the ice and how you pass to or receive passes from your linemates.

    Domi is able to create goals best when he’s in the middle of the ice. He looks lost when he’s on the wing.
    Aug. 29, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
    While he’s not the best at faceoffs, that’s not the only difference between being a winger and a centre. There’s positioning, and how you see the ice and how you pass to or receive passes from your linemates.

    Domi is able to create goals best when he’s in the middle of the ice. He looks lost when he’s on the wing.


    My point is that I can't see MTL playing Domi as the 3C for this team...isn't he better used in the Top 6 instead of out of it?
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    Aug. 29, 2020 at 3:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tkachinla
    My point is that I can't see MTL playing Domi as the 3C for this team...isn't he better used in the Top 6 instead of out of it?


    That’s why I think that trading him for a winger would make sense. The habs can’t get the best out of Domi because we don’t have a C spot on the top 3 lines to give him, so it would be better to move him to a team that can use him to the best of his abilities. And the habs am get someone that is more suited to playing wing, who they are able to give a good role to.

    If we keep Domi and play him on the wing it’s fine, but he isn’t being used to his full potential.
     
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