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Who is better

Created by: HabsFan9
Initial Creation Date: Nov 28, 2020
Published: Nov 28, 2020 at 4:46
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Crosby or Malkin

Hedman or Josi
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
4$10,000$35,134,000$0$0-$35,124,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
NSH
Josi, Roman
$9,059,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MIN
Addison, Calen
$795,000
RD
RFA - 3
OTT
Abramov, Vitaly
$730,833
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 1
NSH
Afanasyev, Egor
$803,333
C
RFA - 3
FLA
Abols, Rodrigo
$817,500
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Abramov, Mikhail
$810,000
C
RFA - 3

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Nov 29, 2020 at 8:18
#26
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Romanov for Calder
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Points total are fantasy ? I understand..kind of what you mean. You’re going by the “eye test”. I can respect that but on paper they are close?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqrMeXTuz7U
No, they are not close
Nov 29, 2020 at 5:12
#27
Caps fan idk why
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Quoting: HabsFan9


Haha you keep posting YouTube videos of Crosby. This is how you choose to make your points? Lmfao. Woof


Hart voting this year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.diebytheblade.com/platform/amp/2020/9/22/21451346/jack-eichel-8th-hart-trophy-voting-full-list-of-nhl-2020-awards-winners-draisatl-cassidy-mackinnon

Seems like not enough people watched your dated YouTube channels hahaha
Nov 29, 2020 at 7:13
#28
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Romanov for Calder
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Haha you keep posting YouTube videos of Crosby. This is how you choose to make your points? Lmfao. Woof


Hart voting this year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.diebytheblade.com/platform/amp/2020/9/22/21451346/jack-eichel-8th-hart-trophy-voting-full-list-of-nhl-2020-awards-winners-draisatl-cassidy-mackinnon

Seems like not enough people watched your dated YouTube channels hahaha


Am I supposed to be impressed by Malkin's 10th place finish? Because I'm not.

The only reason Crosby isn't in the top three there is because he missed a bunch of games with his core injury. And the Hart is just as much about points as the Norris. Leon Draisaitl is not in the top five players in the league for me, and yet he wins the Hart.

I still can't believe you seriously think that Malkin is better than Crosby.

Here are some more YouTube videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqQeVzhrS0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG5fmWIBnkg
Nov 29, 2020 at 7:17
#29
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Romanov for Calder
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https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/389083
this is what the community thinks by the way

@Pens3lieve @NoWah49 @KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
help me out here guys. I'm getting tired of arguing
Nov 29, 2020 at 7:20
#30
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Quoting: HabsFan9
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/389083
this is what the community thinks by the way

@Pens3lieve @NoWah49 @KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
help me out here guys. I'm getting tired of arguing


left easily. although with that said, when Malkin is on fire he's the best player in the league. he's just wildly inconsistent and that is his downfall
Nov 29, 2020 at 8:03
#31
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Quoting: NoWah49
left easily. although with that said, when Malkin is on fire he's the best player in the league. he's just wildly inconsistent and that is his downfall


similar to what he said. Sidney Crosby is a generational centre. Gretzky, lemiuex, Crosby, McDavid. period. I don't put anyone else in that very special category. Evgeni Malkin is the next tier of Hall of fame centres who will have great careers, MVP seasons, scoring titles, etc.

now I will say this. Sid has amazing work ethic and could prob put up 50 pts till he's 50 and have over a 50% corsi. he commits defensively and makes line mates better.

Geno I think has had more raw talent than Sid. he's has a size advantage and can push people around while Sid holds them off. he has a better slap shot. when he's on, he can STILL take over a game. we saw it this year.

Sid brings it every game as much as he can. consistency. I don't know I've ever seen him take over a game like Geno. he has had amazing games but it's not like making flashy plays like geno. it's just a back check to steal a puck, a quick up to start a rush the other way, smart passes creating offense, always doing the little things to elevate his team.

IF there are 10 seconds left in a game and you are down 1, I want geno with the puck to make something happen. namely, a goal.

if there is 1 minute left in the game, and you're protecting a lead, I want Sid on the ice.

they are both elite talents for sure.
Geno has the edge in some categories, but it's indisputable that Sid is the better overall player.

Geno is an elite centre who can dominate at times.
Sid is a generational centre who always plays at a high level but doesn't really have a "beast mode" like Geno.

I hope that explanation was clearer than mud.
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Nov 29, 2020 at 9:16
#32
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Quoting: NoWah49
left easily. although with that said, when Malkin is on fire he's the best player in the league. he's just wildly inconsistent and that is his downfall


Quoting: Pens3lieve
similar to what he said. Sidney Crosby is a generational centre. Gretzky, lemiuex, Crosby, McDavid. period. I don't put anyone else in that very special category. Evgeni Malkin is the next tier of Hall of fame centres who will have great careers, MVP seasons, scoring titles, etc.

now I will say this. Sid has amazing work ethic and could prob put up 50 pts till he's 50 and have over a 50% corsi. he commits defensively and makes line mates better.

Geno I think has had more raw talent than Sid. he's has a size advantage and can push people around while Sid holds them off. he has a better slap shot. when he's on, he can STILL take over a game. we saw it this year.

Sid brings it every game as much as he can. consistency. I don't know I've ever seen him take over a game like Geno. he has had amazing games but it's not like making flashy plays like geno. it's just a back check to steal a puck, a quick up to start a rush the other way, smart passes creating offense, always doing the little things to elevate his team.

IF there are 10 seconds left in a game and you are down 1, I want geno with the puck to make something happen. namely, a goal.

if there is 1 minute left in the game, and you're protecting a lead, I want Sid on the ice.

they are both elite talents for sure.
Geno has the edge in some categories, but it's indisputable that Sid is the better overall player.

Geno is an elite centre who can dominate at times.
Sid is a generational centre who always plays at a high level but doesn't really have a "beast mode" like Geno.

I hope that explanation was clearer than mud.


To be clear I told him that in the last 2 years Malkin has been better than Crosby. He referred to Malkin as a 2c. I’ve been posting stats on to back my opinion he keeps posting YouTube videos lol

Better question. Who is more underrated Malkin or Crosby ?
Nov 30, 2020 at 7:54
#33
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
To be clear I told him that in the last 2 years Malkin has been better than Crosby. He referred to Malkin as a 2c. I’ve been posting stats on to back my opinion he keeps posting YouTube videos lol

Better question. Who is more underrated Malkin or Crosby ?


You've been posting points. Over and over. I've been posting videos of Crosby protecting the puck and just plain highlights that you clearly didn't even watch. And I referred to Malkin as an "exceptional 2C" because that's what he is on Pittsburgh.
Nov 30, 2020 at 9:31
#34
Hockey IQ
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
To be clear I told him that in the last 2 years Malkin has been better than Crosby. He referred to Malkin as a 2c. I’ve been posting stats on to back my opinion he keeps posting YouTube videos lol

Better question. Who is more underrated Malkin or Crosby ?


malkin is definitely more underrated because he's been is Sid's shadow his whole career. if he played on another team he's be their superstar and #1C. he'd probably have higher point totals as he'd get 1st line mins with better wingers and a #1D pair behind him.
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Nov 30, 2020 at 9:33
#35
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Quoting: HabsFan9
You've been posting points. Over and over. I've been posting videos of Crosby protecting the puck and just plain highlights that you clearly didn't even watch. And I referred to Malkin as an "exceptional 2C" because that's what he is on Pittsburgh.


Malkin has been the best #2C in the league his whole career basically.

@Capitalfail67

I would concur tha,t for sure, at points or in certain seasons, Geno has been better than Sid. this year for sure. last year I wouldn't say that bc Geno had absolutely a down year by his own admission.
Nov 30, 2020 at 11:10
#36
Caps fan idk why
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
Malkin has been the best #2C in the league his whole career basically.

@Capitalfail67

I would concur tha,t for sure, at points or in certain seasons, Geno has been better than Sid. this year for sure. last year I wouldn't say that bc Geno had absolutely a down year by his own admission.



Crosby vs Malkin last 2 year

120gp....51g 96a 147points p/60 3.543.......xGF% 54.76

Malkin

123gp.....46g 100a 146 points p/60 3.724......xGF% 54.82

this includes Malkins down year. So when i said Malkin has been better the last 2 years its not that crazy.... its kind of accurate. People will say its not even close bc of false narratives but stats speak volumes... more than silly YouTube videos
Nov 30, 2020 at 11:51
#37
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Crosby vs Malkin last 2 year

120gp....51g 96a 147points p/60 3.543.......xGF% 54.76

Malkin

123gp.....46g 100a 146 points p/60 3.724......xGF% 54.82

this includes Malkins down year. So when i said Malkin has been better the last 2 years its not that crazy.... its kind of accurate. People will say its not even close bc of false narratives but stats speak volumes... more than silly YouTube videos


I would agree for last year, but malkin wasn't good at all the season before (18-19) so I would separate the seasons.
malkin was better in 19-20, 17-18, etc.....
Sid was better in 18-19, 16-17, 15-16, etc....

I prefer to separate season by season....for even in terms of stats it's flip flopped between them every year of two...
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Nov 30, 2020 at 12:39
#38
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
I would agree for last year, but malkin wasn't good at all the season before (18-19) so I would separate the seasons.
malkin was better in 19-20, 17-18, etc.....
Sid was better in 18-19, 16-17, 15-16, etc....

I prefer to separate season by season....for even in terms of stats it's flip flopped between them every year of two...


long story short this dude made a post claiming Crosby and Hedman are underrated..... Im not a penguin fan but this site is full of people who diminish Malkin when he is still a top 5-10 center in the NHL
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Nov 30, 2020 at 1:27
#39
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
long story short this dude made a post claiming Crosby and Hedman are underrated..... Im not a penguin fan but this site is full of people who diminish Malkin when he is still a top 5-10 center in the NHL


malkin is for sure one of the most underrated players EVER. look no further than the NHLs garbage top-100 list. just hillarious. it's so bad they should update it every 10 years and Geno should be the first name on the list.

Sid has become under-appreciated a bit the last couple years...with the early playoff exits. it's not his fault, but when a team underperforms it starts with the leaders needing to do more...
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Nov 30, 2020 at 2:14
#40
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
malkin is for sure one of the most underrated players EVER. look no further than the NHLs garbage top-100 list. just hillarious. it's so bad they should update it every 10 years and Geno should be the first name on the list.

Sid has become under-appreciated a bit the last couple years...with the early playoff exits. it's not his fault, but when a team underperforms it starts with the leaders needing to do more...


see me underrated players dont get ranked in the top 5 in their positions. Players like Malkin Backstrom Slavin .... you can find examples on every team are completely underrated and people tend to forget about them bc the NHL doesn't mention them ever.. or people make up these false narratives about them. Remember ovechkin "never showed up" till he won a cup... his playoffs stats said other wise but that was the narrative.
 
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