overpay

This is pretty bad for Calgary

Valimaki is not top 4 ready IMO

Bad for both teams

the exact opposite actually.

Monahan is the only real piece (and the pick). Giordano is very overblown. Decent Dman, but old and also only really had one spectacular year and a bunch of solid years. He would be CBJ's 4th best dman at best and be paid too much for a 38/39 year old (he isn't getting better).

Bjorkstrand is worth the 1st and Bennett is garbage.

in what way? CBJ gets a similar caliber 1C, another top end defenseman, a 1st, and a solid depth guy that performs well in the playoffs. I don't think it's great for CBJ but they definitely win the trade

4th best? Gio is strictly better than Gavrikov and Savard. Bennett is a proven playoff performer.

That was a really bad take

Dubois = Monny + Bennett imo. And no way CBJ would do Gio and a first for Bjorkstrand. Hes our best forward and we need him, even if Gio is the better player currently

Like I said, I don't think it's great for CBJ but they still win the trade overall value wise

Plain and Simple Truth: Mark Giordano is not going anywhere. He will most likely retire as a Calgary Flame. Even if he’s only still around for character and leadership. Plus no one wants to pay him over $6 million at his age.

Spot on

I don't think he is better than Savard. Not at this point in their careers anyway. He is not better than Werenski or Jones, so at best their 3rd best D man... still not a top pairing guy.
Bennett stinks. He has 19pts in 30 playoff games which is better than his regular season avg of .35ppg, but I would not call him a proven playoff performer and that alone does not constitute a ton of value.
not given his 28.7 pts per 82 game average over 5+ NHL seasons.

To put that in perspective Nail Yakapov has 8 more points in 17 less games.

Not really sure how that is a bad take.

Dubois is better than Monahan, although not by as much as CBJ fans would want to admit.

Bjorkstand would easily land a 1st & and 2nd pairing Dman with an inflated contract. with his 28+ goals per 82 games.

So to summarize:
Bennett stinks and has no real value. 3rd or 4th rd pick at best.
Giordano - overrated and only really valuable to a serious contender at this point. He is old and has another year with a big cap hit.
Monahan = good, but not as good as PLD.
Bjorkstrand = 25 and under team control for a reasonable number.


CBJ is getting older and taking on more salary.

CBJ could also not come close to affording this. Giving up 7.4m and adding 16M (10 of which would go to their second pairing D and their 4th line)

You clearly underrate Gio, he may not be a top pairing guy on Columbus but he is on most NHL teams. He's not a #1 PP guy anymore (hence why he doesnt play on the first PP unit) but he is still an elite 2-way defenseman.

Again Bennett is a multi time proven playoff performer. Wouldn't trade him for anything less than a late 1st. A 3rd/4th is a funny joke my guy. Goodrow got a first and does basically the same thing. If avaiable at the deadline Bennett would definitely return a 1st.
Not sure what Yakupov has to do with anything here considering he has never played a single playoff game?

Dubois only advantages over Monahan are his physicality and slightly less bad defensive game. Monahan is better offensively though.

I do agree Bjorkstrand could return a 1st, if you didn't notice there is a 1st literally in the trade

Problem is CBJ is not Tampa and.. Goodrow is:
A) better than Bennett
B) making league minimum for 2 years - Very important for that team.

Again - you are trading Giordano to a team that doesn't need him. He is a fine second pairing Dman. He will be almost 40 when the contract is up.

under your current standards the Bruins could get a 1st for Sean Kuraly, right? probably (3) first rd picks for Krejci.

4th line guys are not worth 1st rd picks. If Sam Bennett could have returned a 1st rd pick, he would be wearing a different uniform.

Monahan is not better offensively. Big difference lining up between Gaudreau and Tkachuk/Lindhom and Boone Jenner and Gus Nyqvist.

Notice his one year with Panarin was almost identical to Monahan's 20 year old season.

CBJ not being Tampa has nothing to do with you telling me I was wrong when I said this is bad for Calgary.

Goodrow, and Coleman for that matter, are both not noticeably better than Bennett, all 3 play 3rd line checking roles. Bennett is also significantly younger than both too. Not sure where you get the impression he is a 4th line guy.

How is Monahan not better offensively? He literally had the exact same production in his career worst year and had 20 more points the year prior when Dubois had Panarin (you know the same year Gaudreau and Panarin were basically equals). Comparing his age 20 year makes no sense since that was 6 seasons ago. (Also love how you blatantly ignore Atkinson's 41 goals)

Your Bruins comment is just stupid, Kuraly is a 28yo pending UFA 4th line center. Depending on team needs he could return a 3rd. Krejci is a 34yo pending UFA 2nd line center making 7 million. Where is the relation to Bennett, a 24yo pending RFA 3rd line C/W? I also said I wouldn't trade Bennett for less than a late 1st, not that teams are lining up out the door offering 1sts for him. There is no chance Treliving would ever consider moving him for a freaking 3rd or 4th.

Bennett is a 4th line guy. Sorry you drafted him 4th overall. He isn't worth more than a 3rd or 4th rd pick.

He is in his 6th year. He is rapidly approaching 25 years old - which is not young - especially considering he wasn't a college player. His player comparison is jay beagle, Nick spaling or Andrew copp accoring to hockey ref.

According to this he is your 3rd line RW, so not even a center anymore
https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/calgary-flames/line-combinations/.
The 127th ranked RW.

He had 8 goals and 12pts in 54 games last year.

Kuraly and Bennett have similar value. Kuraly may have more because he is an actual center. It's weird how Kuraly has out performed Bennett and he is a 4th liner, but Bennett is not. weird.


Kuraly:
GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI FOW FOL FO% HIT BLK TK GV
140 14 30 44 4 72 14 0 0 3 28 1 1 229 6.1 375 1895 13:32 539 512 51.3 274 66 62 59
Bennett:
GP G A PTS +/- PIM EV PP SH GW EV PP SH S S% TSA TOI ATOI FOW FOL FO% HIT BLK TK GV
123 21 18 39 -7 129 17 4 0 2 15 3 0 197 10.7 356 1594 12:58 139 123 53.1 222 40 44 60

Kuraly makes half as much and is a center.


The Krejci comment was me being facetious to prove a point. Just because you are good in the playoffs, doesn't triple your value. Krejci is a good two way center who has avg 62pts a season and led the playoffs in scoring twice. If the Bruins could have traded him for Multiple 1sts, they would have. If Bennett and his .62ppg in the playoffs in a 30 game stretch can land a 1st, surely Krejci's .80ppg in the playoffs is worth much, much more. Especially when you factor in 145 games vs the 30. One seems like it might be legit, one seems like it might be an anomaly. One year of team control is not worth that much, not for a bottom 6 (feel better?) player who is averaging 28pts

I like how Kuraly just turned 28. Two days ago. If Kuraly is 28, Bennett is 25. Not a huge difference. It's not like it's 19 to 22. These guys are pretty much the players they are going to be. There isn't a ton of development left.

Wow, this entire post literally shows how little you actually know about Bennett and tbh is pretty embarrassing because how how hard you are trying to argue it.

For example
"According to this he is your 3rd line RW, so not even a center anymore"
Did you even bother to look at who his current center was? Michael freaking Backlund, you know, a guy who on par with David Krejci, the one you just ranted about for no reason. I could go through all your little nitpicks like comparing Kuraly's career best year to Bennett's career worst but I think ill pass

You realize you said nothing right....

and you are the one who keeps embarrassing yourself with lack of knowledge.
Backlund and Krejci are not comparable. not even close. Lol

Krejci:
82 Game Avg. NHL 82gp 18g 44a 62pts
Backlund:
82 Game Avg. NHL 82gp 17g 26a 43pts

Also - please nitpick away. I compared the last two years, not one guys best and one guys worst. The most relevant ones. The two most current. The two that will show trends. Which was when Kuraly signed his deal. Kuraly was a 4 year college player, 1 year AHL and then an NHL regular. No, he was not as highly touted. He is more or less the same player.

Bennett's ice time has gone down every year since his rookie season. Kuraly has avg more ice time over the last two years.

To be clear, I didn't pick Bennett's worst years. His rookie season was his best with 36pts. The other 3 were almost identical with 26,26 & 27pts, followed up by the 12pt. He just isn't that good.

The offensive numbers are similar - Bennett is a little better, but he also plays with more talent as backlund isn't krejci, he is better than Par lindholm, or Chris wagner.

Bennett is a -57 for his career. Admittedly not a great stat alone, but when paired with others it can start to paint a picture.

I know, I know Bennett is a defensive go to; he starts 60/40 in the defensive zone, so he is bound to be on the ice for more goals against.

Kuraly is 82/18 in the defensive zone and is a -4.

Kuraly has more points, Better +/-, more ice time, half the cap hit and is elite defensively.

Facts don't back up any of your arguments. You are basing your entire argument on an 18 goal rookie season that he hasn't come close to repeating. That was six years ago.

I guess Backlund being a top contender for the Selke almost every year while producing at a 50 point pace means nothing

"The offensive numbers are similar - Bennett is a little better, but he also plays with more talent as backlund isn't krejci, he is better than Par lindholm, or Chris wagner."
Bennett has played a total of 1.5 games on Backlunds wing, his most common linemate over the last 3 years has been Mark Jankowski, who is an offensive blackhole (his current hot stint in Pittsburgh will fade just like how Malkin isn't a 0.25ppg player). Not knowing tells me did zero legitimate research. Bennett was also forced into the winger position a majority of the last few years, towards the end of last season Derek Ryan got the flu and missed a couple games and Bennett took over the Center position between Lucic and Dube, in that span Bennett looked very solid away from Jankowski and put up 3 goals (of his 12 last year). During the pre-playoffs camp Bennett was given the chance to play that 3rd line center role again won the spot and then went on to lead Calgary in points for the 2nd year in a row during the playoffs.
With the departure of Jankowski this season a 3rd line center role opened up. Originally it was planned to have Bennett play that position but management and coaching also wanted to try Lindholm at a top 6 center spot and moving Backlund to 3C. They started the season with Ryan on Backlund's wing and Bennett at 4C but swapped them in game 2 for synergy reasons. Ryan pairs much better with Nordstrom's game style than Bennett, and Bennett pairs better with more offensive players than Ryan. So unless Lindholm is moved back to the wing (resulting in Backlund back to the top 6) or an injury down the middle occurs Bennett will probably continue to be playing wing this year.

If you really want to to try and prove Kuraly is better why not make an ACGM with a 1 for 1 trade asking "who wins?"

Done. It will not go the way you want it to.

Also - Backlund is good defensively, no doubt... As is Krejci. He doesn't get as much attention nor is it needed because of Bergeron, Marchand and the aforementioned Kuraly, but if Backlund was on Philly or LA, he might not be getting as many votes.

Any complaints with the answers you got? I chose not to comment on the thread to avoid effecting the results.

No, no complaints. Pretty much what I said. Not worth a 1st and pretty comparable to Sean Kuraly. Personally, I would rather have Kuraly. I am not alone, although more would prefer Bennett, which I do think comes from his perceived potential coupled with his promising rookie season.

The fact is over the last two seasons Kuraly has more points. He has been more productive. I don't value a year of control of a less productive player. I don't.
Numbers are numbers.

I never said he is worth a 1st for starters, I said I wouldnt trade him for less. The problem is you severely undervalue term. Goodrow went for a 1st last deadline because he had term, Gustafsson (a recent 60 point defenceman) went for a 3rd because he didnt. A players value is highest with 2 years of control, because then the contract is neither too long or too short.

Sort of. Bennett is already making more than Kuraly will next contract. I would be shocked if Kuraly get more than 2.25 anywhere. Bennett has One more year at 2.5. Term matters for better players, unless they are making league min or close.

Gustafsson went for 3rd because he literally cannot play defense. He signed one year, 3m deal. Flames could have made that work very easily.