I know there's been a lot of different trade scenarios for PLD in the last few weeks, some good and some absolutely awful, for both Habs and CBJ perspective. As a Montreal fan, there are only two options in which I would trade for Dubois and the package stays pretty much the same except one player. The real question for Habs is when do you make the trade. If you trade in-season because MB thinks Dubois will be gone prior to off season and feels pressure from Jarmo then KK is the center being traded to CBJ. Option two (and more favorable for Habs imo) is the Habs are out of payoff contention by trade deadline, they know they can't resign Danault or they make the trade prior to expansion draft, then Danault becomes the center going to Columbus. Of course, any trade involving Danault would be contingent on Jarmo having an extension in place for Danault.
If I'm MB, these are the only trade options (or scenarios) I entertain to get Dubois. If CBJ wants more or different players (i.e. Suzuki) then I pass if I'm the Habs.
Obviously, most on here will not agree with these options. Fans of both teams undervalue and overvalue their players all the time. Looking at different posts recently, some CBJ fans think Dubois is the second coming of God. He's good, don't get me wrong and would love him on the Habs! But this idea that teams need to give up a 1st round pick, a bonafide superstar and high end prospects to get the interest of Columbus is ridiculous. Look at any recent trades for high end players and the return has not been what most people would've expected. It's tough comparing trades with players that are different ages at the time of the trade or have more NHL experience but recent trades show that the teams giving up the guy rarely get what they truly want - think Karlsson, Stone or Hall trades in recent memory. I'm not exactly comparing Dubois to those players but none of them returned full value to Sens or Devils that most thought they would've got. For example with Karlsson, at the time of the trade, he was considered in the top 3 of defensemen in the league, if not #1. DeMelo, Tierney, Balcers were not high end talents then and aren't even close now! The key to that trade was Norris and a 1st round pick. The Stone trade was even worst in my opinion considering that Brannstrom has yet to crack the NHL roster full time. It may turn out to be a phenomenal return in the long run, but at this point, not even close.
The last points for this Dubois scenario are simple. 1 - CBJ doesn't have to trade him and 2 - with the cap staying the same of another 3yrs, it takes several teams out of consideration in my mind. This will ultimately hinder the max return that CBJ will get.
If the trade needs to happen in-season, then KK is the center that goes to CBJ. Byron added for cap reasons and they get Mete and prospects Caufield and Hillis.
If trade happens in-season, you can't give up Danault because of what he brings in the faceoff circle, PK and shut down role.
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If the trade can happen after season and just prior to expansion draft, then I send Danault to CBJ along with the package already submitted. Of course, the deal happens only if Jarmo can negotiate an extension with Danault prior to trade.
There are always two sides to a trade, why on earth would Columbus take any of those proposed trade offers? I'm pretty sure they would want Suzuki instead of Kotkaniemi/Danault
There are always two sides to a trade, why on earth would Columbus take any of those proposed trade offers? I'm pretty sure they would want Suzuki instead of Kotkaniemi/Danault
I agree that there are two sides to a trade but if you read the full description (apologies for the long paragraph) you'll see that I indicate from a MTL perspective, these are the only offers I give CBJ. If they want Suzuki, I pass as a Habs fan!
I agree that there are two sides to a trade but if you read the full description (apologies for the long paragraph) you'll see that I indicate from a MTL perspective, these are the only offers I give CBJ. If they want Suzuki, I pass as a Habs fan!
How I see the trade is that Habs fans want the Blue Jackets best centre, possibly forward on the team, but they want to give up a mediocre package for him that won't help the Blue Jackets today.
A huge no on the first offer. KK for all we know could be better than Dubois. He is playing at a high level right now and is only 20! Two years younger than Dubois. So no way you add Caufield as well. The second one is more digestible. Although I think Columbus would need a contract extension to go along with Danault
There are always two sides to a trade, why on earth would Columbus take any of those proposed trade offers? I'm pretty sure they would want Suzuki instead of Kotkaniemi/Danault
Every Habs fans rather have Suzuki than PLD if we had to choose
Every Habs fans rather have Suzuki than PLD if we had to choose
Very much so, and I wouldn't agree more. On Columbus' side, why would they give up their best player for anyone not in the same caliber. Imagine if Suzuki was in the same situation and the Leafs offered Robertson, Liljegren, and Kerfoot
Very much so, and I wouldn't agree more. On Columbus' side, why would they give up their best player for anyone not in the same caliber. Imagine if Suzuki was in the same situation and the Leafs offered Robertson, Liljegren, and Kerfoot
Who is your Robertson and Kerfoot comparison in this deal? I'm assuming you're not comparing Kerfoot to KK or Danault
You've been here for a while, you should know there is a contract limit of /50
5 contracts spot vs 1 is unlikely to impossible
CBJ currently at 43 contracts on the year. This trade, if it happened in season, would be a net increase of 3 contracts. Leaving them at 46! I think they're ok!!!
Very much so, and I wouldn't agree more. On Columbus' side, why would they give up their best player for anyone not in the same caliber. Imagine if Suzuki was in the same situation and the Leafs offered Robertson, Liljegren, and Kerfoot
I'm not following you, CBJ can't trade PLD for a guy better or equal to him. Why would that team trade a player equal to PLD and wait 14 days + have to negociate with PLD again in 2 years ?
Why are you mentioning Robertson Liljegren and Kerfoot here ?
Very much so, and I wouldn't agree more. On Columbus' side, why would they give up their best player for anyone not in the same caliber. Imagine if Suzuki was in the same situation and the Leafs offered Robertson, Liljegren, and Kerfoot
Value going back can take many forms.
- a better player signed on a shorter term.
- a less talented player signed for longer.
- a bundle of players fixing many roster spots.
- futures.
We don't know what is Kekalainen's plan, if he has one.