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Created by: Wreckless
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 23, 2021
Published: Apr. 23, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Caufield probably takes Byron’s spot. I’d keep Byron with the team under this scenario though. At least for one more year. We’d have the cap space this year for sure.

Weber makes more money this way, so the NHLPA will support it.
Nashville accrued the cap benefit of the back diving contract, not Montreal, as such the recapture penalty falls with them. We traded for an existing contract. We didn’t create it. We will follow the CBA to the letter. Don’t like it? We don’t care. We’ll see you in court.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$750,000
4$2,500,000
2$2,750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,100,000
4$2,750,000
6$4,166,667
3$4,250,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Weber, Shea
5$2,500,000
Trades
MTL
    Weber and Seattle mutual contract termination.
    SEA
    1. Weber, Shea
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (TBL)
    Additional Details:
    The pick is (largely) for the purpose of not selecting Jake Allen.
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
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    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the CHI
    Logo of the WSH
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the STL
    Logo of the VGK
    Logo of the PHI
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    2022
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    2023
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$69,004,644$597,561$1,475,000$12,495,356
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,125,000$2,125,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,250,000$4,250,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,166,667$4,166,667
    C
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $875,000$875,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,343,750$2,343,750
    RD
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Weber, Shea
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $2,875,000$2,875,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $925,000$925,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0)
    C, LW
    RFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $880,833$880,833 ($0$0$0$0)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $894,167$894,167 ($0$0$0$0)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $795,000$795,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $880,833$880,833 ($0$0$0$0)
    G
    RFA - 1

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    Apr. 23, 2021 at 8:37 a.m.
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    Hockey247
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    yeah thats not happening bud. weber's contract is not changing and neither is he moving
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    Apr. 23, 2021 at 8:43 a.m.
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    Quoting: Hockey247
    yeah thats not happening bud. weber's contract is not changing and neither is he moving


    « We’ll see you in court. »
    Apr. 23, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: Wreckless
    « We’ll see you in court. »


    Cool story bro!

    But, the reality is this. Seattle cannot terminate a contract of any player taken in the expansion draft - mutual or not. It is an NHL rule for expansion. A player that is drafted in expansion must be on the team for at least a year. Furthermore, if Weber retires/terminated within the next two seasons, the recapture penalty will fall on both Nashville and the team owning his rights at the time. The only instance where the recapture penalty is solely on Nashville is after the 2022-23 season is completed.

    Please refer to the following site for explanation/calculation of recapture penalty on Weber:
    https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/07/the-salary-cap-implications-of-a-shea-weber-early-retirement.html#:~:text=To%20combat%20teams%20continuing%20to%20front-load%20contracts%2C%20the,negating%20the%20years%20that%20lowered%20his%20cap%20hit.

    And this is the link explaining the no buy out rule for expansion draft picks:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-kraken-2021-nhl-expansion-draft-rules-same-as-vegas-golden-knights-followed/c-302586918
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    Apr. 23, 2021 at 9:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: HabsFan33
    Cool story bro!

    But, the reality is this. Seattle cannot terminate a contract of any player taken in the expansion draft - mutual or not. It is an NHL rule for expansion. A player that is drafted in expansion must be on the team for at least a year. Furthermore, if Weber retires/terminated within the next two seasons, the recapture penalty will fall on both Nashville and the team owning his rights at the time. The only instance where the recapture penalty is solely on Nashville is after the 2022-23 season is completed.

    Please refer to the following site for explanation/calculation of recapture penalty on Weber:
    https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/07/the-salary-cap-implications-of-a-shea-weber-early-retirement.html#:~:text=To%20combat%20teams%20continuing%20to%20front-load%20contracts%2C%20the,negating%20the%20years%20that%20lowered%20his%20cap%20hit.

    And this is the link explaining the no buy out rule for expansion draft picks:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-kraken-2021-nhl-expansion-draft-rules-same-as-vegas-golden-knights-followed/c-302586918


    Good links! Thanks for those.

    Seattle can’t buy anyone out, I agree. But a mutual contract termination is not a buyout.

    There is no possible recapture penalty for Montreal anymore. Rules were amended for Nashville last year:

    https://awinninghabit.com/2020/07/07/montreal-canadiens-shea-weber-cap-recapture/
    Apr. 23, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.
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    Quoting: HabsFan33
    Cool story bro!

    But, the reality is this. Seattle cannot terminate a contract of any player taken in the expansion draft - mutual or not. It is an NHL rule for expansion. A player that is drafted in expansion must be on the team for at least a year. Furthermore, if Weber retires/terminated within the next two seasons, the recapture penalty will fall on both Nashville and the team owning his rights at the time. The only instance where the recapture penalty is solely on Nashville is after the 2022-23 season is completed.

    Please refer to the following site for explanation/calculation of recapture penalty on Weber:
    https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/07/the-salary-cap-implications-of-a-shea-weber-early-retirement.html#:~:text=To%20combat%20teams%20continuing%20to%20front-load%20contracts%2C%20the,negating%20the%20years%20that%20lowered%20his%20cap%20hit.

    And this is the link explaining the no buy out rule for expansion draft picks:
    https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-kraken-2021-nhl-expansion-draft-rules-same-as-vegas-golden-knights-followed/c-302586918


    Although you are correct you are a killjoy.
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    Apr. 23, 2021 at 10:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Wreckless
    Good links! Thanks for those.

    Seattle can’t buy anyone out, I agree. But a mutual contract termination is not a buyout.

    There is no possible recapture penalty for Montreal anymore. Rules were amended for Nashville last year:

    https://awinninghabit.com/2020/07/07/montreal-canadiens-shea-weber-cap-recapture/


    Thanks for the update on recapture penalty. I wasn't aware that had been amended by the league.

    And, you are right, a mutual termination is not a buyout. But I just don't see Weber accepting that. I think that if he felt he could still contribute, he'd just play out the contract. Not sure he would voluntarily agree to a termination then resign for 5 yrs to make his money back. Best scenario for Habs is that he can still be effective next two years and for the last three of his contract becomes a player/coach. Whenever he doesn't dress, he becomes the defense coach on the bench. That way, Habs maximize is health/effectiveness on the ice while keeping the veteran presence in the room.
    Apr. 23, 2021 at 11:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: HabsFan33
    Thanks for the update on recapture penalty. I wasn't aware that had been amended by the league.

    And, you are right, a mutual termination is not a buyout. But I just don't see Weber accepting that. I think that if he felt he could still contribute, he'd just play out the contract. Not sure he would voluntarily agree to a termination then resign for 5 yrs to make his money back. Best scenario for Habs is that he can still be effective next two years and for the last three of his contract becomes a player/coach. Whenever he doesn't dress, he becomes the defense coach on the bench. That way, Habs maximize is health/effectiveness on the ice while keeping the veteran presence in the room.


    If Weber’s primary goal is to win a cup, then an extra $5mm in cap space for the team either should be incentive enough. He’d actual make more money too. Not sure where the downside would be.
     
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